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  1. Welcome

    1. Special Announcements

      Here you can read the latest announcements of special importance. This may include notice of changes to the clubsmartcar website or very special events in the smart community. You will also find our rules of conduct and other general information about the site. Only Mods can initiate posts in this forum. (If you have an announcement talk to your local mod and ask them to post it for you.)

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    2. Introduce Yourself

      Come say Hi! Start your own thread, introduce yourself, post updates and pictures, check out the history of other members.

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    3. Site Feedback

      Here you can discuss issues related to the website or forums.

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  2. Smart Car Discussions

    1. enviro-mileage

      Visit this forum to learn more about the smart car's fuel economy, emissions, and ecological impacts. Members can also share their mileage results and learn about ways of driving their smart efficiently. This is also a forum to discuss vehicle (and driver!) modifications related to improving fuel economy, and any instrumentation devices used to monitor fuel economy in realtime, such as the Scangauge.

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    2. General Discussions

      It seems that this forum is the default go to forum for just about anything and everything, including topics best kept elsewhere, since we have a forum for most every topic.... But alas, place it here I guess - it's not likely to get kicked out... LOL!

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    3. In News & Entertainment

      Press releases, articles, publication reviews, on television, as seen in the entertainment industry... What's being said about the smart car and by who? Find out.

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    4. Vehicle Distribution and Tracking

      This forum is for discussion about the production and distribution of smart cars. If you want to know the quantity of vehicles in each province or country, visit here! We maintain lists of special edition smarts, often with the VIN # when possible. This is also the place to visit if you need help with tracking your smartie. It could be in the factory, on a ship, on a train -- or at your dealership!

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  3. Technical Discussions

    1. Operation and Maintenance: 450 Model, 2005-2006, diesel

      For General Operation and Maintenance discussions specific to the 450 cdi (diesel) sold in Canada as 2005 and 2006 models.

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    2. Operation and Maintenance: 451 Model, 2008-2015, gasoline

      For General Operation and Maintenance discussions specific to the 451 Model, sold in the US and Canada beginning with the 2008 model year and ending with the 2015 model year, gasoline engine only.

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    3. Modifications and Performance: 450 Model, 2005-2006, diesel

      For Modification and Performance discussions specific to the 450 cdi (diesel) sold in Canada as 2005 and 2006 models.

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    4. Modifications and Performance: 451 Model, 2008-2015, gasoline

      For General Operation and Maintenance discussions specific to the 451 Model, sold in the US and Canada beginning with the 2008 model year and and ending with the 2015 model year, gasoline engine only.

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    5. How-To: 450 Model, 2005-2006, diesel

      How-To Technical Articles specific to the 450 cdi (diesel) sold in Canada as 2005 and 2006 models.

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    6. How-To: 451 Model, 2008-2015, gasoline

      For General Operation and Maintenance discussions specific to the 451 Model, sold in the US and Canada beginning with the 2008 model year and ending with the 2015, gasoline engine only.

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    7. Electric Drive

      A forum to discuss the smart Electric Drive and its technical aspects

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    8. Fortwo 453 - 2016 and newer

      A forum for discussions surrounding the 453 model smart fortwo and its technical aspects

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  4. CsC Community Discussions

    1. Eco-Matters

      A place to discuss the environment and our impact on it. Not necessarily smart car specific but topics should be of interest to the smart car community.

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    2. Community Chatter

      For off-topic posting. Have something to say that isn't quite related to smart cars such as a marriage or birth announcement? While not "everything" goes, this is the place to post topics that don't really belong in one of the other forums.

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    3. Auto Talk

      This forum is for all discussions about non-smart automobiles - technical characteristics, marketing, opinions, new technology, your other cars and more!

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  5. Market Place

    1. Buyer's Guide

      A place to talk about smart car configurations, options & accessories to help you in your big decision. Also a place to discuss the various aspects of acquiring parts or vehicles, how to price a used vehicle, and things to look for when purchasing a used smart.

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    2. Member Classifieds - Parts and Accessories

      This is the Buy & Sell forum for smart car parts and accessories including wheels and tires. No commercial posts permitted in this forum. Listings of smart cars for sale are now in a dedicated forum.

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    3. Member Classifieds - smart cars for sale

      This is the Buy & Sell forum for personal listings of smart cars for sale. No dealer listings permitted in this forum.
      Before posting, please read the topic titled "PLEASE READ FIRST" to understand how to format your listing.

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    4. Self Promotion

      Looking for something special for your smart? This is where you'll find it. Have a smart car related business? This is the place to advertise it. Note: All posts must contain item description and pricing as opposed to linking elsewhere. Posts with links only will be deleted.

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    5. Dealer Showroom

      Dealers selling smart cars post offers and ads here.

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    6. Stuff I've Found / Stuff I'm Looking For

      A place to post links or info about parts, accessories, tools... anything really... that you found a good deal on or that you are trying to locate. Or if you want to give a shout out to a business that treated you right. No commercial posting allowed!

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    7. Trading Post

      Karma Based Area to trade/swap/give away smart car stuff - not for stuff to sell!

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  6. Regional Forums

    1. Canada Wide Events and Trip Reports

      This forum is for discussion of Canada Wide events. Feel free to post your cross-Canada trip reports here with photos.

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    2. Vancouver Island and the Gulf Islands

      smart Marmot's Lair - This forum is for events and regionally specific discussions on Vancouver Island and the Gulf Islands

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    3. The Rest of British Columbia

      This forum is for events and regionally specific discussions for all areas of BC outside of Vancouver Island and the Gulf Islands.

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    4. The Prairies

      This forum is for events and regionally specific discussions for all places in Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba

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    5. Southern Ontario

      This forum is for events and regionally specific discussions for Southern Ontario, including London and all places between Niagara and Windsor and north to Tobermory. Excludes the Greater Toronto Area.

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    6. Ottawa, Toronto and The Rest of Ontario

      This forum is for events and regionally specific discussions for all places in Ontario between the Greater Toronto Area and Ottawa, including Hamilton, Burlington, Barrie, Belleville, Kingston and then west to the Manitoba border.

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    7. Atlantic Canada - Quebec to Cape Spear

      This forum is for events and regionally specific discussions for all areas of Quebec, New Brunswick, PEI, Nova Scotia, Newfoundland and Labrador

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    8. United States and The Rest of the World

      This forum is for events and regionally specific discussions for all areas outside of Canada.

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  • Recent Posts

    • Same time.  The challenge with the cdi is that the power band is so narrow that there is a lot of shifting.  This makes the car slow against the watch.  The rev limit on the gas engines was 2000 RPM higher so you could hold the gears longer and that makes a big difference in the driving experience.   I drove a roadster-coupe in the suburbs of Paris in 2005 and it was adequate in acceleration with the 82 HP engine.  With 60 it would have been a dog, even with it revving to 6500 RPM.  With 60 HP but a 4400 RPM rev limit, not so much.  The BRABUS version with 101 HP would make it a proper little sports car.   The tires on the roadster were wider than the fortwo so rolling resistance is also to be considered in addition to Cd and SCd as you rightly pointed out.   i just wouldn't consider that swap.  The roadster to get is the coupe with 101 HP.
    • Hi all,   Most of you know me, I've even met a few of you, so not new to the group, but I am new to Nova Scotia.  I moved to Pictou County a couple months ago.    So, do we have any members on the board here from NS?
    • I have placed my two pairs of snow chains back into storage. Might put summer wheels on next week weather permitting. 
    • How's this solution for a Cabrio roof rack?
    • Very interesting, I would have thought the drag coefficient of the roadster to be much better than the "brick" style of the fortwo.   For the sake of argument, while the drag coefficient of the normal fortwo is better than the Roadster, the frontal area of the 450 is 1500mm by 1510mm (2.265m^2) and the Roadster sits at 1192mm by 1615mm (1.925m^2).
        So;
      (fortwo) 0.37*2.265 = 0.838
      (roadster) 0.44*1.925 = 0.847
      (roadster coupe) 0.38*1.925 = 0.732

      In other words, the roadster would be about 1% less efficient in real aero drag and the roaster coupé would be just over 10% more efficient. Keeping in mind I didn't subtract the area under the car between the wheels just to keep things simple, and we're not factoring in the little bit extra rolling resistance from bigger tires on the roadsters etc.
        The base roadster came with a 60hp 700cc petrol, so I don't think it's a stretch to imagine that a remapped CDI with a lot more torque than the gasser should have no trouble being at least similar in performance to the 700cc petrol, and in fact a remapped CDI in a roadster coupe body should be noticeably quicker than a stock CDI in a fortwo, even carrying around a large "passenger" (extra 100kg).

      Did the regular roadster and the coupe come out at the same time, or did the coupe lag behind a bit?

      Sean