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Just put down $2K deposit on 2017 Smart ED coupe.
$3K in options
Black panels with "electric green" tridion $200
LED lighting $700
Pano roof $390
touch screen $1600
arm rest $125
Car is currently in Halifax awaiting certification.
Estimated delivery is end of September.
The Smart loyalty discount was quote as $500 (it used to be $1000).
Dealer first offer is a discount of $2K on top of loyalty (I consider this a "starting place" for negotiation).
Ontario rebate is $13K
Trade in quote for 2013 Smart ED with 25000 km is $8500.
Looking at ~$12K on the road for trade - up.
If it's worth $8500 for trade in 4 years from now, that's $3500 to drive 4 more years.
Not as good a deal as I intend to finally negotiate, but it's a stake in the ground for now.
Figured I had better put down my deposit for one of the first coupe's off the boat to reserve my place in line.
This car was the highest optioned of the list of cars for this dealer.
Not as highly optioned as I would have personally spec'd, but the color is what I wanted.
For reference, I've gone in to three dealers and priced out new cars:
2017 Nissan Leaf would only be $2000 more than the Smart over a 4 year period, as Nissan has significant discounts, and Ontario rebate is $14K (5 seat cars get the full rebate).
2017 Chevy Volt would be $4000 more than the Smart over a 4 year period, with dealer willing to budge only $1000 on MSRP.
Decision is made easier because we prefer the looks and go-cart driving characteristics of the Smart vs Leaf, and don't want to use gas and dislike Chevy corporate politics (anti-Tesla).
My plan B is a used BMW i3. There's one on auto trader for $23K, which is probably $6K to drive over 4 years (after trade in and factoring in $3K of out of warranty repair/maintenance), reasonably attractive, but I prefer an in-warranty car for peace of mind. I like the looks of the i3, and the performance is way above the Smart. It's an option. I've got a few months...
When the 'sales' people think that they can convince the 'stoopit' public that the words mean what they want to hear, then it's a 'GO', yes ?
Ford has a much larger buyer base and has found that that the 're-invention' of the language did not go over so well. The Focus and Fiesta models are currently the subject of US class-action lawsuits over their 'automatic' transmissions. Some of the allegations (true) are regards mechanical failure, but others are regards (true) expected operational norms.
Where are the media in all of this ? If it has a clutch, it's a manual ! Automotive journalism is in a really sad state. Truth does not always equal $$$ returns , sad, but true.
Agreed. My typical reader (not a smart enthusiast) wouldn't know the difference.
The DCT is a huge improvement over the single-clutch unit previously found in the Fortwo.
Manufacturers these days refer to DCT's as automatics - with no differentiation between an hydraulic (regular) or dual-clutch system.
The earlier transmission was as an automated manual transmission, not a true automatic. In 2005 the Fortwo was available with a choice of a Soft Touch or optional Soft Tip (standard on the Passions) transmission.
But these days, in every used Fortwo advertisement, the car is advertised as being equipped with an automatic transmission - I have yet to see an owner pointing out the difference. In their defense, they probably didn't know there was a difference.