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  1. Hmm, there is already a charging location close by: https://www.plugshare.com/location/118792
  2. First, let me start, I am a huge Smart ED fanboy, and take the 453 ED to work instead of our Tesla S, so that's saying something about the "fun to drive" and "quirky but awesome" nature of this car. But OP has good points. Daimler charges $33K (MSRP + options for my new Smart) and made the car worse in some respects compared to the completely average prospect of the 451 ED. Baffling. 451 ED purchased in Nov 2013. Not a single problem. Car was perfect for intended purpose (short daily commute). Traded for: 453 ED purchased in Nov 2017. Have seen no 453 issues as OP reported in 1,2,3. Haven't brought in for service of any kind. Agree with 4,5,6,7,8. Am also sad that 451 was better in some respects to 453 as OP noted. Regarding 6 (bluetooth), can confirm with fan on, clarity is bad, but if you only run heated seat during call, quality is acceptable. Recommend turning off fan during a call. My issues with 453 ED (assigning numbers starting with #9). 9. Bluetooth fails to connect with drivers phone immediately in driveway, will try to maintain connection with previous drivers phone, even if those phones are 15 meters further away in the house. 10. Touch screen premium audio option "resets" periodically. Typically looks like a reboot after the car has been running for a minute or two. 11. Navigation is clunky and poor in terms of ease of use and routing. 12. USB audio (MP3's on USB stick plugged into USB port) is flaky. Routinely stops, restarts and goes to radio and then back to USB during initial car startup for first minute or two. Will eventually come back to USB audio and back to the song that was previously playing, but minutes pass as this happens. Sigh. Happens 2 out of 5 days per week. 13. Not only is acceleration blunted and slower than 451 ED (see point 8), but the traction control on the brand new model is not appreciably better. At least one advantage is the larger 15" rims/tires on 453 ED offer slightly better road holding than 451 ED on stock rims/tires. Point : How can Daimler with all it's technology not make the traction control at least as good as an old 2013 Tesla S RWD, seriously, Daimler should have better technology than a 5 year old car from a startup company that never built a high volume car before right?! Really, truthfully, am souring on the Smart ED experience a bit, even though I love my Smart, I am surely far more impressed with the capability of our 5 year old 2013 Tesla Model S, and that was Tesla's first mass produced product, Daimler has had far more years and bigger budgets to get this stuff right! Am very close to getting a Tesla Model 3 and selling the Smart. Sure, the Tesla 3 is 2x the MSRP + options, but that's what I'm willing to pay.
  3. For reference. Bought 2013 Smart ED new for $19200 all-in (taxes, rebate - $8500 at the time). Traded for $8500 for new 2018 Smart ED in November 2017. Therefore, my 4 year cost was $220/mo. New 2018 Smart ED with $13000 Ontario rebate is about $20K all-in with 8 year battery + drive system warranty. If you get $9000 on trade in over 4 years, it's still in the low $220/mo over 4 years. Versus purchase of $10K all-in for used. Drive out of warranty for 4 years, trade for $4000, cost is $125/mo. If battery dies at year 4, car is worth $1000 for parts and sale of battery modules. Let's say risk is 1/1000 risk of loss of car function at end of 4 year period. In this case you end up paying same as new cost. So, used is half the cost if you have no issues, or about the same cost as new over 4 year period if you have rare catastrophic battery issue. My 2013 Smart ED was PERFECT, only $3 in unscheduled maintenance (tail light bulb). The only reason I bought new was I could afford to and I wanted the new model.
  4. These are not normal issues. My Smart ED heats quick, clocks keeps time, car pre-conditions on schedule, etc. My heated steering wheel gets warm quick and stays on for at least an hour, which is the longest trip I've taken in the car in one single drive.
  5. No. Battery cells hold the same charge no matter the voltage they were charged at. ^^ This! Using the battery (drawing energy from the cells) and charging the battery (putting energy into the cells) both cause warming of the battery cells. Warmer cells are more efficient than colder cells at drawing energy. This reduces the watt hours per kilometer used. If you drive a distance, park and charge, and then drive again, you have done two heat cycles to the cells and the battery is more efficient for this profile of usage when compared to starting the car from a cold morning without pre-heating the car (pre-condition). I have driven 30000 km in a Smart ED in all conditions charging on 120V. The key to getting the best range in cold weather is pre-conditioning the car before leaving. Unfortunately, Smart has disabled the app used to do this pre-condition, so you need to manually select this option when shutting the car off the night before (see owners manual for instructions).
  6. I've owned the 2013 and now 2017/8 Smart ED (bought in Nov 2017). They both heat up quickly, and the heated seats are not on a timer, they stay on until turned off. The 2018 is far more car, far more. Suspension and handling is improved significantly. Heated steering wheel is awesome in the cold. Audio is better (bluetooth and good USB). Cabin is more quiet and more shoulder room with passengers. BUT it's the same range (perhaps a few % better), slower (1s slower to 100 km/h) and more expensive.
  7. I've owned both a 2013 and traded for the 2017 Smart ED, both heat up quick, but the 2013 was for sure better in that regard. I think the 2017 has a similar sized heater, as the dash reports 3kW when heating, about the same as the 2013. The 2017 takes a few xtra minutes to get hot hot hot when it's 0C or colder out, but within 4 minutes, it's toasty.
  8. My new Smart ED doesn't seem to have any cold battery warning. We ran it in -22C after 10 hours cold soaked a few days ago, no power drop. Although, the defrost is nowhere near as good as the previous generation Smart ED, at least the new car has heated steering wheel.
  9. I was given a VVC code, the same type of code provided when I got my 2013 Smart ED. However, the code does not allow use of the old app with the new car. The new app (just a website actually) does not work, it's a demo... VERY frustrated with Daimler, once again they produce all sorts of #fail when Tesla get's these things perfect. I will be sadly leaving my Smart ED in the driveway when my Model 3 is available for delivery next year. Not being able to pre-condition the cabin is super frustrating on a -22C day like today.
  10. The range of the new Smart ED is better than the old Smart ED, that is for certain, confirmed both 15C and -15C weather. Not by much, but better for sure. However, last night in -22C the new Smart ED could not fully defrost the windshield. The old Smart ED was also not great in -20C weather, but I recall it being more effective at defrosting.
  11. Car size matters less in the city where the average speed is 40 km/h for my commute, both cars have good energy recuperation on braking, the Tesla is a bit stronger which I prefer. As for heating/cooling, the Tesla certainly can use more, but the heated seats in both cars usually mean I don't need to run a loud fan to heat the cabin. I generally pre-condition the Tesla at my desk before going out to the parking lot, so that's a big benefit over the Smart in the winter for sure. The Smart has a small cabin, so it heats up very quickly. The Smart ED uses 3kW on average during the coldest days to heat the cabin, the Tesla can peak at 6kW, but once the cabin is up to temperature, and the heated seats are maxed out, the heaters pretty much stop and I "coast" home using only the motor energy. I personally feel the Smart ED is less well engineered than the Tesla, by a massive margin, I commented to my wife tonight just how much stuff Tesla got right that Mercedes with all their years haven't. Simple stuff like an app that can pre-heat the car without being plugged in. Really sad indictment on how little innovation there is at Mercedes. Even BMW got that right in the i3, good app support is a basic thing. Ford is also lagging, their app routinely doesn't work for Focus EV customers, I see that reported on the forums.
  12. I have both a 2013 Tesla and had a 2013 Smart ED, now upgraded to 2017 Smart ED. The Tesla is equally as efficient for my 40 km round trip city commute. The new Smart ED is more efficient than the old Smart ED, by 15% less energy use on the highway, but similar in city. New Smart ED has heated steering wheel, big benefit over my older EV's.
  13. My new 2017 Smart ED is substantially slower in acceleration feel compared to my 2013 Smart ED. Smart did the wrong thing, they sapped the thrust, but I'm OK with it for now, as I will be getting my Model 3 in a years time, and that will cure my itch for performance.
  14. Got my fleetcarma device for my new 2017 Smart ED, will post update in a months time.