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germans always sound so pissed off 

i cant remember 100% but im fairly certain all 450 rims will fit a 451

but you cant go backwards like put 451 rears on a 450 rear (but 451 rears will fit 450 front)

19 hours ago, Sydney said:

i haven't figured out how to add multiple pics to one post

hold ctrl button down while choosing what files to upload

is that a gasser 450?

i dont remember diesels having oxygen sensors and he says it had o2s codes

personally i like the noco genius line of chargers...and they make good quality adapters you can leave connected instead of alligator clips 

but if youre parked outdoors you could simply use a small solar panel to keep it topped up 

also i dont like dieselisekis photos lol....

i dont know if its the angle or what but to me it looks like everything is a tooth off....i dont like how cam gear appears under rotated by one tooth and the crank key looks slightly past center

with crank up inline with cylinder bore the pulley notch should match the mark on the cover...if it doesnt your pulley has probably slipped and lost bond with the rubber in the dampener

seen it happen many times on other engines..i dont remember if smart even has the rubber

but anyway i would suggest doing it the way the manual says...crank key up...cam pulley lines low and perpendicular to bore...

and i would clarify that crank key up means inline with bore because i think these engine are slanted so up doesnt literally mean straight up

and of course make sure the tight side of chain has no slack ...any and all slack needs to be on the tensioner side (rear)

1 hour ago, Willys said:

I also now have an engine to disassemble to check BEFORE touching my finished engine in any way!
Tomorrow's work will be to copy what Sydney has done and hopefully verify what we all think.

BUT...I did see a post somewhere  last night that Tolson did say the engine knows when it is on the compression stroke by some vibration difference and thus triggers the injectors to fire correctly....by the electronics somehow..? Perhaps something like knowing when it is out of balance...maybe?  I don't know..?
Mechanically it can only be put together one way, the valves must be open or closed at the precise time for the engine to run. Then comes into play the timing of the spray from the injectors. That I do not know for sure  about other than one post Tolson suggested last night years and years ago on another site....IMHO...if someone knows the problem but refuses to inform the membership of the correct solution....Hmmm....what can I say?  Karma is the polite thing Hmmm...?

you're overthinking it

it can only be timed one way....crank key up with cam gear lines low is the exact same as crank key up with cam lines high

the crankshaft does not care whatsoever what stroke it on

im going to go ahead and bet that its an intake one 

which makes you and the manual correct...but the other way (which is actually the conventional way they are marked) will work just fine

and again im going to say that the orientation of the words and numbers on the original parts are a big clue...a german engineer would have probably planned it that way 

edit:lost my edit window timeframe for last post on earlier page so i would like to add that the part in bold would have also been wrong for him to say...because having the lines at the bottom is in fact the proper position for tdc of #1 on compression stroke 

9 hours ago, Willys said:

OK, a few other pics to show what is what and where.

 

This shows piston at TDC as related to crank key way position.

 

This shows cam lobes facing upwards away from rockers and not applying pressure to valves.

 

So I am confident that it is correct......UNLESS someone thinks cylinder #1 isn't the one next to the oil fill hole and to the far right of the engine....??????

 

OK, #1 piston is where we all think it is, far right next to oil fill hole just to clear that thought out of the equation.....lol.

lowest lobe in picture (nearest cam chain).it works an exhaust valve or is it an intake one?

both sets of pictures are completely correct..as is the german manual

take diesel iseki photo and imagine if he turns the crank a full turn (with the chain on) ..the cam will make a half turn and be where the manual and willys shows

same exact timing positions but from different perspectives

hate to say it but the only thing in this thread i see wrong is tolsens reply that willys isnt showing #1 at top dead center....any picture with crank pulley key lined up inline with cylinder bore will be at tdc of #1....for tolsen to be correct he should have said that it is not at tdc of compression stroke 

semantics

edit:...but without an engine in front of me i cant really say which position is the actual compression or exhaust stroke pic...i can just say they are both one or other but  not the same

clear as mud?

maybe the book says that way because you cant get a good eye on it at the top and the bottom alignment is easier in situ

or maybe they are just nutz

its classic german idiot savant engineering

doesnt matter if you time it with line at the bottom or line at the top...you get the same results...injection pump only installs in one position...cam gear can only go on one way..vacuum pump doesnt matter

lines up or lines down you are in the same exact position just at different times <<pun intended

so technically tolsen was wrong...willys picture does show cylinder number 1 at tdc...and the pic from dieseliseki on page 2 also shows cylinder at tdc

the only difference is the stroke ...which doesnt matter because im pretty sure the cam chain sprocket can only be installed in one position anyway

i think id like to see the cam lobes to confirm my theory but either way (words upside down or downside up ) would still be correctly timed ,,,just at different top dead centers 

give the crank one more turn around to make tolsen happy

starting to remember why i hated working on these engines...vw tiguan engine has far surpassed it on my hate list though

i do remember way back when i did my chains ..something didnt seem right the way i wanted to do it so i looked and looked online for proper timing mark locations and i dont recall where i found them (probably here) but i remember thinking it was opposite of what i thought (lines at the bottom as shown instead of at the top like every other engine ive worked on)

plus the way the words are properly oriented when the lines are lower kind of tells you something

Tolsen ...please correct us if we are wrong...i hate to see bad information on something so critical

the last time i got peeved when contacting them as a "current client" and getting fed up of being on hold for almost an hour i hung up and called again....but this time i chose the option of possibly being a new client and i got thru to a an actual person in less than a minute

they were the cheapest i could find ..thats the only reason im with them

were you with TD meloche monnex ?...the one that recently switched to security national?

what a shit job compared to how easy the 450 cdi pan is 

but the starter sure looks easier to access

12 hours ago, brd said:

I sit corrected re: the # of wheels on an Isseta.

 

I just did a quick Google of the Citroen Ami. It’s a different beast as compared to the Microlino as it top speed is about 28-30mph and it’s range is a maximum of 47 miles. It only costs €6000 though as compared to the €12000 for a Microlino.

https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/citroen/ami

 

There is no intention to bring it to North America. I would guess that it has 0% probability of passing crash tests just like the Microlino.

 

 

 

that second one has enough material up front to probably pass if they build it like a smart

i really cant see how it could possibly pass crash test minimums

thats big mike...he is good at what he does ...too bad it took a clown gig to get him famous he has always been a great singer

heres a good video regarding first responders..i dont know how to share just the video so youll have to watch it thru the news site

https://www.sudbury.com/local-news/welcome-home-marc-watch-as-hundreds-of-people-from-to-to-manitoulin-salute-fallen-officer-2904557

On 12/22/2020 at 5:13 PM, Willys said:

They should stick to their grass roots and keep 450 body and simply add electricity  if possible and forget trying to redesign the wheel.  OR better yet simply go back to the CDI 2005 version and make it better.

 

if i had more time and energy id try and squeeze an old 80s simple carbureted twin cam toyota engine into a 450

or maybe a 90's fuel injected camry 4 banger...those things were virtually indestructible 

lost me at the china part...no thanks

heres the window struts

they used to be $16 Can...now theyre $21

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/2Pcs-Tailgate-Lift-Support-Rod-Shock-Gas-Spring-0409100013-For-SMART-Fortwo-New/222753846890?