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  1. I ran 91 for several tanks in the gf's 451, then ran 87 for several tanks. If there was a difference in "power", it wasn't noticeable. Mileage was slightly worse with 87, about 5.7 vs 5.5 on 91. I never noticed any adverse effects switching fuels like stumbling or knock or anything like that. Realistically, any car equipped with a knock sensor will be able to detect the onset of detonation and retard ignition timing long before you could "hear" it. One thing to consider is that fuels with ethanol blended into them already have a built in "gas line antifreeze" and "injector cleaner", as these additive use an ethanol analog, often naphthalene, methanol, or methyl hydrate. I have seen people experience fuel filter or injector clogging when an ethanol blend fuel is used in a car that has spent it's life running on non-ethanol fuels. The non-ethanol fuel often allows buildup of varnish/goop especially if the car is driven infrequently or never gets totally hot. When you add an ethanol fuel or a fuel injector cleaner it will sometime cause these deposits to slough off and end up clogging small orifi. Of course when that happens people are quick to tell you how they put ethanol fuel in and that's what caused the issue, which, is not *really* the truth. I've often managed to "cure" poor-running cars with the use of high concentrations of methyl hydrate and some good old fashioned long-haul drives keeping engine load low. Now, older cars, small engines that are carbureted, or engines that frequently sit for extended periods of time, I think can be quite sensitive to damage from ethanol fuels. Owing to ethanol's propensity to adhere to water, if sitting for a long period of time, will pull water out of the air and then pool in the bottom of the fuel tank or carb bowl and wreak havoc from there. Especially where you have brass components involved like in carbs. Interestingly, our daily driver 451 has a factory-looking sticker on the fuel door stating "Use only 91 RON fuel". I say interesting because I haven't noticed the same sticker on other 451s I've come across, not that I was looking very hard. And as we know 91 RON is roughly equivalent to 87 (R+M)/2. I'm wondering if the previous owner might have replaced the fuel door with a euro door from eBay or something if his was damaged. The owner's manual however is very clear about using only premium 91 (R+M)/2 fuel. Anyway... long post just to say I don't buy into the whole "ethanol is the devil" thing. In fact quite the opposite, I think ethanol fuels are great for applications where the fuel isn't allowed to sit for months at a time. But, like most everything in life, you have to understand that "to ethanol or not to ethanol" isn't a question with a one-size-fits-all answer. As for me, I run ethanol fuels the majority of the time in my 451s with no adverse effects seen as of yet, and I buy ethanol free for winter storage of my yard equipment and "toys". It would be interesting to log ignition advance curves in the 451 for different conditions and fuels to find out if there's a set of conditions where the car starts pulling ignition timing to correct for detonation. Like, would you get full timing advance in winter running 87 but not in summer, owing to a difference in intake air temp, or if you were to stay away from a certain load/rpm part of the rev range, or do you see the difference between fuels under any condition. Would make for an interesting comparison. For my efforts, the difference in mileage between 87 and 91 was seen in the middle of the hot summer. I should re-run the comparison in winter to see if there's still a difference. Or would the difference simply be owing the a slightly different BTU value between an ethanol and non-ethanol fuel? So many variables... Probably not worth the effort to find out. lol
  2. Driving something that's not charging, in the rain, is the worst. Wipers, headlights, blower motor... dispense your electrons wisely lol No issues shifting as the power got low? I found the clutch actuator and shift motor started to misbehave in the 9-10V range. With all the work at the dealer the car's going to be like new again! I'm due for some intercooler attention on mine as well, been noticing a drip which I thought was an axle seal at first but after replacing those and cleaning the area of all the splattered oil I was able to notice the "fresh" drips after a drive were in fact from the intercooler not the transaxle...
  3. I have seen a stuck/leaking injector cause similar issues, might be worth making sure they are good before putting miles on the car.
  4. That's pretty harsh. The 451s have plenty of their own issues and I would argue they are generally more costly to repair when they do go wrong. I have had plenty of both 450s and 451s. Like any used car, you can get a lemon or you can get a gem. I think either one requires much more proactive care and maintenance per km as compared to other car brands. But I think if you have a reasonable mechanic or can do simple maintenance yourself, they can be both quite reliable and quite economical. One comment I do have however is that the 450 seems to do better being regularly driven and for longer trips whereas the 451 seems to cope better with short blasts, no doubt because it gets up to temp much more quickly in cold weather.
  5. That's the oil cooler. Is it possible that in the process of changing the oil filter you may have damaged the new o-ring when re-installing the housing? Could be that it is just leaking out near the oil cooler.
  6. I would say check the motor mounts, though in truth I have no idea what the motor mounts in an ED would even look like or if the motor is hard mounted to the chassis or what.
  7. If the hose to the actuator is cracked, or if the diaphragm in the actuator itself is torn, the boost leaks out and can't build enough pressure to compress the spring in the actuator. So the rod doesn't extend and the wastegate doesn't open, boost keeps climbing, and you get an overboost code and limp mode.
  8. Glenn was recommending the motor be turned over by hand. You would not turn the ignition on and therefore not have fuel spraying out. His method would be very effective to know if you have enough compression to start the car, and requires no special tools.
  9. For what it's worth, all the equipment I have gets nothing special for fuel, just 87 octane, in winter when I'm storing things I just add some fuel stabilizer that lists compatibility/effectiveness with ethanol fuels, and have never had an issue with the ethanol rotting anything out. Even after a couple years of sitting I just flush the fuel tank out, fill with fresh, and fire it up. In case that might apply to anyone storing their smarties.
  10. Welcome! Without hearing it, based on your description, it sounds like your Secondary Air Injection Pump is getting noisy. It is located on top of the rear subframe on the passenger side. If the noise happens on cold starts for ~5-20 seconds and then shuts off, and does not happen on a hot restart of the motor, I think it's a good bet that's what your noise is.
  11. I'm all for going to higher ethanol content fuels and developing the infrastructure/cars to use it. I honestly can't imagine it would be that difficult, I see so many people on the "performance" end of things building their cars to run E85 for it's high power potential (thanks to it's cooling effect and anti-knock properties). I think the ideal situation would be to sell a coloured "off road" non-ethanol fuel for use in small engines, like they do with diesel for farm/commercial off road use, which should be cheaper due to not having to pay road taxes. Then have an ethanol-based fuel for road use. If you phase it in over a long enough period of time, there shouldn't be any issues. I mean they already sell flexfuel cars, and, like the leaded-only cars of yesteryear, enthusiasts/collectors will just adapt (grumpily I'm sure). If the ICE is going to stick around, it's pretty much going to have to run on ethanol or biodiesel as we continue to tackle the problem of net carbon emissions reductions. I'd rather see biodiesel get pushed but we all know how diesels are being bullied out of existence.
  12. Out of curiosity have you confirmed you have no significant restriction in the intake? Easy way to test it i sto just remove the rubber hose from the EGR to the intake manifold. If the EGR is full of carbon to the point of restricting too much airflow, the motor will start but as soon as it starts to draw a vacuum you lose compression and it will quit. Weird that it would run with #3 GP out though... Anyway, something to try if you haven't already, and a very easy test.
  13. One of our 451s "caught fire". The sound deadening material above the catalytic converter had delaminated and fallen onto the catalytic. It started smoldering but luckily we noticed the smoke and doused the material before it could do anything. I then removed the remaining material from the area near the catalytic. I wouldn't be surprised if this is a common cause of the fires, as I have noticed most of the 08-09 451s I've had hands on suffer from the same issue of the sound deadening material just coming apart and drooping onto the engine. Being in the engine bay, and especially the stuff located near the catalytic, you'd think they would have used something more durable or at the very least non-combustible. Maybe the later versions were updated with that, I'm not sure. Anyway I now know to keep a close eye on our other 451s for this issue. Perhaps failed flex pipes and hot exhaust gases in the engine bay make the material deteriorate? All the 451s I have had my hands on have the telltale melted rear valence from the flex pipe failing and the muffler flopping forward.
  14. In my experience with them, all they ever do is take your money and give you no results.
  15. He means if you return the turn signals to the headlight housing as they are in Europe, you can use the "Canadian" turn signal housing in the grille, with an LED bulb (or whatever) as your daytime running lights, or replace them with fog lights or a different DRL light/housing.
  16. With any luck a glut of Car2Go 453s hitting the market will drive used prices down and mean that I can pick up an inexpensive manual 453.
  17. Hmm, will have to try it out and see. Or I need to figure out how to get significantly more clearance in the front end to run a bigger front tire. I really dig the extra ground clearance from the fat rear tire, would be especially nice when the snow starts to fly.
  18. So here's a tidbit for the day. Was doing a tire shuffle around today and I had some 195/65-15s kicking around. I mounted them on stock 450 steelie rears. I also mounted some 155/60-15 fronts on stock 450 front steelies, and put them on the car. The 195/65-15 rears are HUGE. I doubt I could have squeezed anything bigger than these into the rear wheel wells. But they fit and didn't rub. When I took the car for a spin to see how it went, I didn't get half a km up the road before the dash lit up like a christmas tree, the ESP light, ABS light, and (!) brake light all came on. Interestingly, the speedometer stopped working and went to 0 while moving. I got back and read the codes and there were about 5 different codes set, all relating to "both front wheel speed sensors bad signal", "CANBUS wheel speed sensor fault" etc So the big difference in tire sizes was enough to upset the ESP module. The 195/65-15 rears are just over 10% larger than stock while the 155/60-15 fronts are just a hair under stock size. So maybe 10% divergeance is where the ESP module draws the line? Anyway, gonna have to mount up some 165/60-15 fronts and see what happens, as that should bring the size difference delta to just over 8%. Or perhaps some 175/55-15s on some 451 rear steels on the front.
  19. We have "The Panda Car" white panels on black tridion. Also "The poop emoji car" with choco brown on silver. "The Brabus" which is self-explanatory. The other ones are just boring names... "The grey car", "the black car", "the blue car" etc
  20. Please be sure to report back on the fitment of the 185s on 451 rears at the front of the car. I found 165/60-15s on 4"/ET27 to be a real tight squeeze, but maybe the different offset helps. I'm very curious to know how they'd fit.
  21. While I agree the difference is small, a narrower rear track does increase a car's tendancy to oversteer (not really an issue with the smart), and increases body roll as the moment arm between the car's center of gravity and contact patch is decreased. I was just considering all the variables.
  22. The 451 front steels ARE bigger than the 450 front steels. The 450s being 3.5" and the 451s being 4.5". Rear steels are all 5.5".
  23. So here's my couple of cents: I upsized all 4 tires a while back, but the front were like a 1.8% upsize while the rears were like a 0.4% upsize. I noticed that in some rare situations I would get a tiny "bzz bzz" of ABS from the traction control when turning and going over a bump just so. I attributed this to the variation in wheel speed caused by the different tire sizes. That being said we managed to put some 40k km on them and had no issues. Now the rears are worn out. Interestingly, with the front still having much tread and the rears being essentially bald, thus a greater difference in rolling diameters, I haven't noticed any intrusion from the traction control system. So maybe it was a fluke when I had originally put them on, some other system that wasn't working 100%, or some combination of steering angle sensor, yaw sensor, wheel speeds, each just being slightly out of whack, who knows. So maybe the difference in size is irrelevant unless it was a huge difference. I've run all kinds of different combos of bigger and smaller fronts/rears on several different cars and haven't come across the same situation. I had thought about doing 4 front wheels for winters, where the narrower tire would help with traction. My hesitations are as follows: 1. There is only a small selection of tires that will fit the smaller front rim, whereas the rear rims fit a much wider variety of tires. I keep an eye out for tires on sale and can often pick up rear tires at half off or more, making them often close to $50 a tire. The front however I have a much more difficult time finding on sale, combined with less selection, means no matter how you slice it I usually end up having to pay $90-120 per tire. That savings alone makes it worth running the fatter rear rims, not to mention, if you really wanted to be cheap, you can often find decent used rear-sized tires on Kijiji for like $20-40 per tire. The front sizes almost never come up. 2. The 450 rears have -1mm offset. The fronts have offsets in the 20-30mm range (same as 451 fronts/rears). So when putting the front wheels on the back, the centerline of your tire will be in some cases nearly 30mm inboard of stock. Meaning you would end up with nearly 60mm less track width in the rear. Handling issues from that? Maybe, maybe not, you might not even know until you encountered an emergency situation and had to make a brisk maneuver, which isn't when I would want to find out that I had a handling issue like a significantly greater tendency to flip over. You could run spacers. I wonder if the camber wear would be less pronounced if using skinnier tires on the back. I would guess it should be, but I'm spoiled because I have a tire machine so I routinely flip the tires on the wheels to even out the wear, so it's never really been an issue for me.
  24. It would be interesting if we had a sticky with a list of all the different types of special edition 450s, 451s, and 453s sold in Canada, with production numbers. I have a feel for what's out there just from reading around, but thought it might be cool if we collected all that info in one place. Mike is doing an amazing job tracking VINs, but I find it tough to navigate all the registries to get to the bottom of how many of which "special editions" were sold. I see a lot of ads for smarts with people claiming "super rare xxyy edition!!", and I thought it might be a useful resource for someone looking into the special editions to have a quick reference to find out just how "rare" or not, what they are looking at, actually is, in Canada specifically. I know I'm missing a ton of them. 450s: 4 x Canada 1's 50 x BRABUS Nightrun 200 x GrandStyle ...? 451s: 1 x Ultimate 10 x BRABUS edit10n 50 x Greystyle ? x BRABUS (the all-black with BRABUS exhaust, monoblocks, badges etc?) ? x Edition high style ? x Edition 1 (Light Blue Metallic) ...? 453s: ...?