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Did you miss us? Did you think we sold it? (We very nearly did lol--we 're trying again with a bit of progress) This new thread started here when it was thought just a n electrical problem: The SAM and such problem has apparently been rectified and the car turned over but did not start. Best thing that has happened! Adam droppped the engine, took off the valve cover and discovered 2 broken rocker arms and a spongy tappet ( bit with a nipply thing on the end directly under the rocker arm). Have since replaced these parts. May still need to take the head off and check for bent valves but not going there right now..... what we would like to know at this point is how do we determine the cam/crank timing if we don't know where anything is right now--this engine has been turning with and without chain and we're not sure when or how the rocker arms broke--- so it's turned no doubt with and without valves moving maybe----I know, I know, it's an interference engine so valves must be bent, busted, in that case but we need to get our heads around timing first. Thanks so much and hope everyone has had a good and healthy summer. I wish we had more tomatoes.