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post-143-1205198828_thumb.jpgpost-143-1205198884_thumb.jpgattachment=17078:nissan_m...ge_large.jpg]post-143-1205198793_thumb.jpgFigured we could have a separate thread for just the future of transportation, the electric vehicles looming on the horizon. From the teardrop "audi tt little brother" imiev sport from mitsu, to the nissan mixim concept, the volt, and the smart ev's being tested now, lets share our thoughts on this technology here, and post some cool concept pix if you find any.The i miev (my electric vehicle) sport is apparently production ready for '09 for Japan, Europe. We cant be far behind, so i'll start off with that, and some pix of the concept mixim, the 3 seater from nissan. comments??

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Good thread!I've actually been trying to import and electric vehicle, but it's hard to import anything into Canada. It has to be OEM. I'm working on getting one of Toyota's electric Rav4. I'd love to hear about how the smart EV tests are going in England, but haven't heard any info in it.Later! Dang

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I'd have a Peugeot 106 EV, but they went out of production about ten years ago.....and were only sold to fleet operators like EDF GDF and La Poste :(

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I would like to know if Smart has any intentions to release an aftermarket EV kit for our existing smarts when they release the SMART-EV PULSE DELUXE XP or what ever they will call it *points for witty name :P

If not, do we have any engineers here willing to whip up an adaptor plate for an electric convertion, and any lawyers willing to whip up some legal change of vehicle power type proposals? We only need to do it once, and then it will apply for all smarts of that model year! *well as long as the lawyers agree*

This guy did a wonderful job at documenting his work http://www.electric-echo.com/

More information can be found here http://www.evconvert.com/resources

Now before you boo *hey Bralda, you cant fit any batteries in a smart dumass!!* hear me out.

What about using a small trailer for your main battery pack? Then you can have more than one, and when you run down low, you can swap it out, like you get home from work and need to go get groceries, then swap trailers and away you go. Also if you get into an accident, the main batteries are outside of the car and can easily be disconnected!....if not allready..

Also, a co-op could be formed where you have little trailer swapping stations around the country. Or some kind of battery pack that can load onto a trailer like a camper does with an easy to use scissor jack like system. Just back under and lower it down and you are off.

Any one game?

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I have to say that the battery swap idea is probably the only way that current technology can make it so the car is able to undertake longer journeys. I think an electric would be fine for around town but not for anything resembling a long trip (in some cities not even to the other side of the city), There is also the problem that we are in canada and sort of require a thing called heat, which is going to reduce the range of an electric car drastically. There is something I have always wondered which is why aren't there any small ducts with small wind turbine generators (and yes I know they would be small, and maybe not generate enough electricity, I have just never even heard of it being tried) to extend the range of the car, especially on the highway, I would think that 100KPH airflow would be able to generate a little more power than the drag caused by the ducts and turbine (though I am not an aerodynamics, electric generator specialist so cannot say for sure). I guess I am just wondering why we have not heard about this even being attempted?Any thoughtsScott

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<snip> There is something I have always wondered which is why aren't there any small ducts with small wind turbine generators (and yes I know they would be small, and maybe not generate enough electricity, I have just never even heard of it being tried) to extend the range of the car, especially on the highway, I would think that 100KPH airflow would be able to generate a little more power than the drag caused by the ducts and turbine (though I am not an aerodynamics, electric generator specialist so cannot say for sure). I guess I am just wondering why we have not heard about this even being attempted?Any thoughtsScott

Great idea, you have just invented "perpetual motion" :D If your system was 100% efficient, you would get enough energy out of it to offset the energy required to run it. As it is, there would be loss in the gererating, and the converting to motion.MG

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No I wasn't expecting it to fully power the car or anything, just wondering if it would be able to extend the range at all. As I said I was think it might be able to produce a little more power than required to overcome the drag (with aerodynamic ducts etc). I am certainly not an expert in all this (obviously) and was just wondering if anyone had heard of this being tried (after all there are these "ram air" scoops on some cars that supposedly add some power at speed (but of course only according to the man.) of course I don't know the efficiency of the current tech wind generators either (and maybe you need a bigger swept area to get any significant result), I was just curious and thought I would ask.Scott

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well here I go, good for a laugh for sure

Don't see anything else online, so I guess it isn't viable at all, (or any serious attempts are under wraps (and yes not likely). On to the next idea :)Scott Edited by scwmcan

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Cool duck, too bad he was probably out of juice after he got out of the frame, but still very cool.Scott

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Ok first off, there is no way to generate energy with ducts and or windmills. They will just add to drag and literally sap energy from the batteries. If you like, one may add solar panels to the roof of the car and or trailer, but you will not get much use in the 40 or so minuets you have of expected battery life. They would help charge the car while it is sitting at work as not everyone can plug in at work. This idea if for those of us that have already BOUGHT a $20.000.00 car and don't want to have to go out and buy another $20.000.00 car! I drive about 8min to work one way and about 20min into Victoria one way to visit friends. This is not going to work for everyone. And I am sure a lot of peole only need a daily driver for short runs. If you want to go on a trip, take your wife's car or your motorcycle or the bus. I say agan *this will not be for everyone*, but I am sure there are plenty of people that look down at there dash and see thay did not run more than 70km in one day.We all bought smarts for a reason, and my reason was not to have to buy gas again. But now even diesel is getting pricy and I don't want to get into Bio diesel as it is not much better on the environment. I also am not into biking around the city, as getting run down by an SUV is not my cup of tea...not that I would fair that much better in my Smart, but I'll take my chances....haha.I like the ZENN Idea...untill the 40kph cap!! I was not fond of the 140kph cap on my smart, let alone 40kph!!Average expense for me is $60-80 a month in fuel, and $200 for an oil change every few months. Not to mention I expect to be running out of my warranty in a few years and then I shall be SOL and paying out of pocket every time it breaks down. Though the vandalism will rise I'm sure, as I get about $500 a year of damage done all ready...Dam Smart haters *shakes fist* an electric smart will be like a geek walking with out his glasses down the *bad hallway* in high school.Now did anyone read my above links? This is not hard, people have done it, and there are many resources and stats. I would do it myself, but as I have neather the space to do the work, nor the tools I must wait for now. I am asking if there is anyone out there that would have the know how, time and money to be the first one with an electric smart conversion? If not, I'll just wait and hope I can get some trade in value for mine when Smart releases there EV.If there is no one serious about this, I am going to take my leave and wander to another forum.

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Now before you boo *hey Bralda, you cant fit any batteries in a smart dumass!!* hear me out.What about using a small trailer for your main battery pack? Then you can have more than one, and when you run down low, you can swap it out, like you get home from work and need to go get groceries, then swap trailers and away you go. Also if you get into an accident, the main batteries are outside of the car and can easily be disconnected!....if not allready..

I've had the bellypan off my car and there is enough room underneath with the fuel system removed for a good sized battery pack, and the weight would be well centered and low for decent handling.As a city car it would make a great electric car, but for highway the areodynamic drag to weight ratio would be to high and range would be compromised.It will be interesting to see what kind of hobby/project usage these cars get in a few years as the used prices come down. Edited by andy m

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Bralda,

I am sorry if you thought my question was mocking yours, but there is no need to be condescending I was asking a legitimate question and after the first response checked online and as I said above seem to have found my answer.

And I did agree with your battery swap idea, though I don't think a trailer is going to be the best way, just because most people don't know how to drive with a trailer on their car.

Yes I have looked at your links, and I am impressed with these peoples ingenuity and dedication to electric cars, I don't know that I would be willing to spend that much time and energy myself (just don't have that much time on my hands at the moment), and my commute at this point is farther than the range of most of the announced electric cars.

Here is a link for you to a place with a converted smart car, may at least give you some ideas for the size of motor etc.

smart conversion

I hope it gives you at least a few ideas (though there isn't anywhere near enough information on them). I seem to recall seeing an article about a test of one somewhere too, I'll see if I can find it again.

Don't forget teht you will need to find a way to compensate for the lower range in winter weather too, though maybe it is not an issue where you live.

Again I am sorry if you took my previous post as not taking the question seriously, I am all for better electric cars to be developed, and hopefully some of the technical issues will be overcome soon.

Scott

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I am truly sorry Scott, I had just come home from a 12hr day at work with very little sleep the night before and I totally took it the wrong way.

I do hope you and others in this thread can accept my sincerest apologies.

Much more research has been done in the last few days and the best I can find is just waiting for the Smart Plustwo to come out.

I have emailed a company that is willing to work with me in converting my smart into a fully electric car for about $10 to $20k

For me that is a bit steep as I just spent that on the car just a little over a year ago.

Now that was a ballpark figure and most of that was the LI batteries, now If I go lead acid, it will be much cheaper.

I had not looked under the belly panel but as I have come to see, a few companies are adding up to 400+ Lbs of batteries down there.

Here are some sites I have found.

http://www.gizmag.com/go/5888/

http://www.zytekgroup.co.uk/Default.aspx?tid=153

http://www.hybridtechnologies.com/products/cars/dash

I will do my best to sleep well before posting again.

Take care and enjoy the food for thought.

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no problem Bralda,Up to $20,000 for the conversion? ouch, We all want to be as environmentally friendly as possible but that price tag certainly makes waiting for the factory electric seem worth while. Again I wish you well on your quest to find an affordable way to convert your car, and please keep us informed, it is interesting, even if we are not all going to be doing it ourselves.Scott

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For only $8,000 you can fly electrically instead, the first production powered paraglider got tested in Florida and production will start next month in china.

By the way I carry one of those but with a gas engine on the back of my smart when I go out flying and my milage drops to 40mpg from 60mpg that gives you an idea how much drag some tubing and netting will create.

Footflyer

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Well Lithium Ion batteries are about 15k these days. I think if I do end up DIY then I'll start with Lead acid and then trade up when I can afford to. As the lead acid is only about 3k and it should only be about 8k for the rest of the parts, so its about 11k, still a little much to be free of Big Oil.

I have emailed Smart about three different ways, and I have yet had no reply. I will be going down to see what Three Point Motors has to say about this.

I found this today and it's worth a read, at least it's not completely dead yet.

http://media.daimler.com/dcmedia/0-921-614...20%7C%20XAID%3D

Holy linkage batman!!

Yes the factory electric seems like the best way to go about this, even though an electric would save me about $50-$80 a month in fuel and $200 every 8000k for the check up/oil change. Still have to charge it though and I this the girl said it took about 1.92 pounds to fully charge the EV Smart at peek time rates, so I hear its about 15 KWh to charge it up so that's 15,000w at...anyone have a hydro bill handy? Mine is included in the rent.

This is also rather new, just out in Feb.

http://www.smartplanet.com/reviews/transpo.../2/smart-ed.htm

I still cant get over that girl at the end of that first You Tube video, "oh now my car's all out of juice, good thing I bought my genny"....haha Just plugs it in and pops it in the back and leaves the hatch open. Not a bad Idea just in case you run down and need a boost....I wonder if that holds 4hr worth of gas? Ok now we are back to the dam gas! Maybe one of those new flexible solar panels? I wonder if you covered the whole roof with one, how long would it take to charge up? What are they now, about that size..hmm 80w, 4 amps and $380? I'll have to do some research on that next week. *Charges while it sits, I like that idea*

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Ok so I went down to Smart, first to make an appointment to get rid of a squeak that has been bothering me and I swear it's the alternator bearing, and they keep saying it's the vbelt, "you changed it already, how can a vbelt go in less than a month? Anyhoo I went to talk to them about the Smart EV and they had heard something about public release in 2011 but they could not comment on it. He was able to tell me about a smart fortwo micro hybrid, that can be seen here.

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005/12/smart_shows_die.html

Pic's and revew here.

http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/09/11/fr...ybrid-launches/

Also here is the UK Smart EV page simaler to the one I found yesterday.

http://www.smart.com/-snm-0157694444-11579...fEVPandR%2epage

No word back from smart. Maybe I should translate my email into German?

I turn off my car at stop lights if it's going to be a while anyway, so what's so good about this one?

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What really annoys me about these EV smart cars is you can't actually buy one at any price.Some even have price lists and "order" forms on their site, but when you contact them they aren't actually selling. Grrrrr.... Dang

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Dang, would you be able to paste a link to said site and order forms? I don't believe I have run across them yet.Thanks,Bralda

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