Mike T

Peugeot 404 Coupé And Cabriolet

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Well now that I've cut my teeth for nearly five years (!) on a smart VIN registry, I thought it'd be time to reach back in time 39-49 years and try the same thing with my greatest love in cars (yes, smart included, I'm sorry to admit that here), the Peugeot 404 Coupé and Cabriolet (404 C).

This poses some challenges:

    • the serial numbers of these cars are not visible through the windshield
    • even if they were, there are only about three or four of these cars near me and they rarely appear on the road
    • so "spotting" à la smart is out
    • nearly a half century has passed since these puppies were made

    On the other hand, the VINs were dead simple back then, being only a sequential 7 digit serial number. Peugeot assigned number ranges to the 404 C, quite different ones depending upon whether the car had fuel injection or a carburetor. Coupés and Cabriolets are not identifiable from the serial number.

    So the methodology is very different than the smart spotting: I get into contact with a 404 C owner and ask them to send me their VIN. You might think I'd get no response, but so far I have had people share over 50 of these numbers with me. When cars get to this age, I guess the owners are somehow closer....? I wonder if I did that with all club members here I'd be banned for spamming ;) Best not to think of that, :lol:

    Finding the owners is interesting. In pre-Internet days, it was nearly impossible. If you saw one at a car show I guess you could ask to see the engine and then have a peek at the serial number. Now with the Internet, a lot of owners find it easy to share information and that includes the VINs.

    So......17,223 of these cars were assembled in Italy and then finished in France back in the day (1961-1968). With 55 in my records so far, the raw percentage is pretty poor, .03%. But I would hope that perhaps as many as 15 or 20% of these cars still exist, so my percentages are getting better, maybe 2% have been spotted already!

    Anyhow, I thought I would share my latest obsession and maybe also put out the word to all that if you know anyone with a 404 C (yeah, right), please let them know about my list!

    Cars found so far

    Carbureted:
    4495784
    4496096
    4497320
    4498184
    4498203
    4498223
    4498412
    4498457
    4498736
    4498738
    4498879
    4499232
    4499371
    4499847
    4499883
    4499956
    4670032
    4670938
    4671036

    Fuel Injected:
    4590120
    4590175
    4590219
    4590936
    4591027
    4593113
    4595579
    4596027
    4598544
    4598557
    4598609
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    4599100
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    4599493
    4599598
    4599740
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    6801986
    6802060
    6802283
    6802292
    6802340
    6802594
    6803095
    6803319
    6803410
    6803412

    Mine is in the latter grouping, somewhere ;)

    Cheers

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Just wondering what purpose this recording serves?B :sun:

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Read the title again, I'm CRAZY!!!!In all seriousness, the Club 404 in France tried to complete an inventory of all remaining 404 C cars a few years back. They had a high participation rate in France among their 700 members (only some of whom have 404 C cars), but not elsewhere. I am the "elsewhere". They are trying to maintain a critical mass and knowledge/spare parts base for the remaining 404 C cars and their trustees (the cars outlast the owners, often). I am in touch with 404 C owners in New Zealand, Australia, South Africa (where more than ten are known), USA and Canada of course, the Netherlands and Germany and I am trying elsewhere where English is the predominant second language.

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Just a wee note before I hit the sack this evening....I got a little email at 11:30 PM from my friend Michel Verdier in the Club 404 in France, and they have over 1500 serial numbers of 404 C cars in their database. These cars all still exist (that's 8% of this model's total production) and a copy of that database now resides in my computer. Most of my 55 cars are not in that database, yet. WOO-HOO! It seems as though there is a fairly high survival rate for these 39-49 year old cars, maybe even over 20%! Lots of work ahead of me......

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After weeding through the database and removing duplicate entries (by different owners) we are left with 1245 404 C cars in the registry, so far. Probably 1200 of these, if not more, still exist.

One of our local heroes here at CsC will be helping me and the Club 404 get an online 404 C serial number form up sometime later this year, to help us celebrate the 50th birthday of the 404, which is next year.

Meanwhile I'll be doing my best to get up to 1700 entries (which would be 10% of the original production). Might take a fair while....."only" 455 more cars are needed for that ;)

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I've never owned a Peugeot Mike.Is it true they all have a long-travel suspention for a very supple ride,or am i thinking of some other french built car?

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In the old days (of the 404) it was true the 404 had something like 8 inches of travel from rest to maximum compression front and rear. Not counting extension..... They were super-capable on rough roads, which is why they won the East African Safari 4 times with the 404 and why - to this day - 40 to 45 year old 404s are still in service in Africa as bush taxis.Even my 405 is quite good for suspension travel.

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Here is a 404 Coupé Injection (my friend Tim's car, in Victoria):

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Nice 404 Coupe` Mike. I like the slightly raised body work above the reasr wheel, and the very slim/sexy(?)roof pillars,especially behind the rear side glass.

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Here is an updated list of the countries where the 1286 404 Coupés and Cabriolets have been spotted:

1059 (France)

65 (Germany)

49 (Netherlands)

19 (Switzerland)

16 (Belgium)

9 (Canada)

9 (USA)

7 (Great Britain)

7 (South Africa)

5 (Italy)

4 (New Zealand)

4 (Greece)

3 (Spain)

3 (Australia)

3 (Austria)

3 (Luxembourg)

3 (Portugal)

3 (Sweden)

2 (Norway)

2 (Morocco)

2 (New Caledonia)

2 (Serbia Montenegro)

2 (Denmark)

1 (Costa Rica)

1 (Colombia)

1 (Finland)

1 (Tunisia)

1 (Madagascar)

1286 TOTAL

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Not me, I hate the 407. The 406 Coupé was great but alas is no more, replaced by a butt-ugly new Coupé.

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That's about right.

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Yes sir he does.

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I got a new 404 Cabriolet in the registry tonight from the Turks and Caicos. These Islands could have been part of Canada......what a lost opportunity! Anyway, our total is up to 1295 cars spotted, which puts us over the 7.5% mark for total 404 C production spotted.The smart 450 cdi total for spotting in Canada is a bit over 20.5%, and that's for a very new car where anonymous VIN spotting is possible.I doubt we'd get to 20% on the 404 C (which has an invisible VIN from the outside) but we can certainly ideally aim for 2000 cars, which seems reasonable, and would be close to 12% of production at that point. I'll take each new one with great delight, but it would be a long slog to hit 2000 I think.

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Got five more today, including one in Paraguay! This is fun, we are at 1300 cars!

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It's a pretty decent survival rate for a 39-49 year old car, and we haven't got them all yet, not by a long way!

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1312 cars are now inventoried. What the heck, below is the long list of the serial numbers of 404 C cars we have identified as to their whereabouts, by chassis number. Ten of these are confirmed to have been scrapped and 1302 still exist.

We also have the following other nine 404 C cars identified only by their Carrosserie Peugeot (body) number: 6599, 10454, 10825, 14591, 14675, 15135, 15397, 16551, 17120.

The 1303 Peugeot 404 Coupé and Cabriolet serial numbers that we have:

4495045

4495046

4495066

4495086

4495115

4495119

4495124

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I've found three more since then, so 1315 is the new total. 10 have been scrapped.I treated my 404 C to a new right hand turn signal assembly off eBay last week and now I think the car is actually "thinking" that I might restore her in the next 5 years.....PMA!

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Two more in the last two days: 1317 found! I am having a great time with this!

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1320 and more on the horizon!

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