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www.canadiandriver.com“Right to Repair” passes second reading in CommonsOttawa, Ontario - The “Right to Repair” bill, which will require automakers to make information, software and tools available to independent repair shops and allow them to service newer, more sophisticated vehicles, has passed the second reading vote in the House of Commons.The private member’s bill, Bill C-273, was introduced two years ago by Brian Masse, New Democrat industry and auto sector critic. The bill passed by a vote of 247 to 18.A similar bill is gaining ground in the U.S. Congress, while the European Union passed a “right to repair” law almost two years ago.In response to the bill’s passage, which still needs to go through several phases before it becomes law, Canada’s automobile manufacturers and distributors said they have confirmed a pledge to create a voluntary agreement with independent vehicle repair shops to provide access to service information, diagnostic tools and training.“The vehicle manufacturers and distributors have overcome some major hurdles to get to a position where we can address legitimate service, repair, training and tooling information needs of the automotive aftermarket through a voluntary solution,” said Mark Nantais, president of the Canadian Vehicle Manufacturers’ Association (CVMA). “When Bill C-273 was first introduced, our industry was challenged by the Minister of Industry to develop a voluntary framework to address the concerns being raised by the aftermarket automotive industry. We have responded aggressively and positively towards creating this voluntary framework that will ensure that all automotive manufacturers are providing this information in the near future. In fact, many companies are already making this information available today.”Masse said that a law is needed, instead of voluntary compliance. “Today, the House of Commons chose to side with every vehicle owner in the country, with protecting the environment, with the public’s safety instead of a group of foreign companies,” he said. “No environmental or consumer protection rule is voluntary. No public safety measure is voluntary. A law is the only real protection for vehicle owners that is available. Bill C-273 provides for Canadians to make those decisions.”www.canadiandriver.com“Right to Repair” passes second reading in CommonsOttawa, Ontario - The “Right to Repair” bill, which will require automakers to make information, software and tools available to independent repair shops and allow them to service newer, more sophisticated vehicles, has passed the second reading vote in the House of Commons.The private member’s bill, Bill C-273, was introduced two years ago by Brian Masse, New Democrat industry and auto sector critic. The bill passed by a vote of 247 to 18.A similar bill is gaining ground in the U.S. Congress, while the European Union passed a “right to repair” law almost two years ago.In response to the bill’s passage, which still needs to go through several phases before it becomes law, Canada’s automobile manufacturers and distributors said they have confirmed a pledge to create a voluntary agreement with independent vehicle repair shops to provide access to service information, diagnostic tools and training.“The vehicle manufacturers and distributors have overcome some major hurdles to get to a position where we can address legitimate service, repair, training and tooling information needs of the automotive aftermarket through a voluntary solution,” said Mark Nantais, president of the Canadian Vehicle Manufacturers’ Association (CVMA). “When Bill C-273 was first introduced, our industry was challenged by the Minister of Industry to develop a voluntary framework to address the concerns being raised by the aftermarket automotive industry. We have responded aggressively and positively towards creating this voluntary framework that will ensure that all automotive manufacturers are providing this information in the near future. In fact, many companies are already making this information available today.”Masse said that a law is needed, instead of voluntary compliance. “Today, the House of Commons chose to side with every vehicle owner in the country, with protecting the environment, with the public’s safety instead of a group of foreign companies,” he said. “No environmental or consumer protection rule is voluntary. No public safety measure is voluntary. A law is the only real protection for vehicle owners that is available. Bill C-273 provides for Canadians to make those decisions.”www.canadiandriver.com“Right to Repair” passes second reading in CommonsOttawa, Ontario - The “Right to Repair” bill, which will require automakers to make information, software and tools available to independent repair shops and allow them to service newer, more sophisticated vehicles, has passed the second reading vote in the House of Commons.The private member’s bill, Bill C-273, was introduced two years ago by Brian Masse, New Democrat industry and auto sector critic. The bill passed by a vote of 247 to 18.A similar bill is gaining ground in the U.S. Congress, while the European Union passed a “right to repair” law almost two years ago.In response to the bill’s passage, which still needs to go through several phases before it becomes law, Canada’s automobile manufacturers and distributors said they have confirmed a pledge to create a voluntary agreement with independent vehicle repair shops to provide access to service information, diagnostic tools and training.“The vehicle manufacturers and distributors have overcome some major hurdles to get to a position where we can address legitimate service, repair, training and tooling information needs of the automotive aftermarket through a voluntary solution,” said Mark Nantais, president of the Canadian Vehicle Manufacturers’ Association (CVMA). “When Bill C-273 was first introduced, our industry was challenged by the Minister of Industry to develop a voluntary framework to address the concerns being raised by the aftermarket automotive industry. We have responded aggressively and positively towards creating this voluntary framework that will ensure that all automotive manufacturers are providing this information in the near future. In fact, many companies are already making this information available today.”Masse said that a law is needed, instead of voluntary compliance. “Today, the House of Commons chose to side with every vehicle owner in the country, with protecting the environment, with the public’s safety instead of a group of foreign companies,” he said. “No environmental or consumer protection rule is voluntary. No public safety measure is voluntary. A law is the only real protection for vehicle owners that is available. Bill C-273 provides for Canadians to make those decisions.”www.canadiandriver.com

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Yay! Proper service and maintenance release at last! It is unfathomable to me that MB/smart have been able to conceal this from their customers. Yes, I mean conceal - hide - withhold - deny.It will be interesting to learn a lot of proper technical details we have all been wondering and speculating about, or had to discover for ourselves through friends and neighbours, hands-on trial and error, or even (yikes!) illegal bootlegs of their material.It's about :censored: time!

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This has resulted in a healthy underground market for illegitimate WIS information, so perhaps they have learned that for every action there is a reaction.

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When you purchase a product you own it and should have with that product all the information required to maintain and repair it. Repair manuals need to be included with the the vehicles as they once were. It's unconscionable for manufacturers and dealerships to withhold repair information from either owners or independent repair facilities. This law is only related to mandatory disclosure of information to repair facilities, not to owners. The same problem that owners have been having will continue. The issue that really needs to be addressed is to disclose servicing information to owners of vehicles.

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This could be especially valuable to owners that are a considerable distance from smart dealerships. If I'm not mistaken, the sole dealership in Newfoundland recently closed, leaving smart customers abandoned. Now, at least, other repair centers will be able to assist those drivers. :thumbsup_still:

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Hmm...While I'm sure people will be glad to see the $150 A service and sometimes $300 B service (does anyone remember the time when delerships were wishy-washy with the details saying it was about $125 for an A and about $150 for a B?) go away, there can be one of two outcomes for this.The knowledge will be accessible to independent repair shops, as well as Haynes/Chiltons to make DIY repair manuals.The extra competition will drive down servicing costs at MB dealerships who would rather have business for less money, than no business at all.The other alternative is that vehicles become more proprietary. More and more items would require the use of a Star/DAS system to activate. More than clutch calibration, more than activating TAN codes. Soon, just turning off the A/B service reminder would require the Star/DAS.Star/DAS is $25k, between MB dealers. Anyone outside the MB network? Well, I'd expect them to be charged 4 times as much.Sure the latter is a worst case scenario, but if you were a car company struggling like everyone else in this economy about to lose LUCRATIVE business in overpriced oil changes and such...Eddie

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Eddie is spot on - the auto manufactures may have to make it available - but the price is what ever they want to set for the product - and you can't buy it else where. A certain large outboard company (before it went bust) use to control the tools and other special test equipment that way - sure you as the average joe could buy it - if you could figure out the part number and afford the price (and unreal markup for the retail buyer) - but typically the tools to repair your outboard could well cost you in excess of the outboard. More so for inboard/outboard leg units.Given how few smart cars there are in some neck of the woods - there is hardly an incentive for an independant shop to invest in the tools if they only see a couple of the cars per year. Here in Victoria or in Vancouver it might make business sense - but I strongly suspect in some areas only the MB dealers will be servicing smarts (or at least servicing them with the correct tools).The electronic tools are the tough ones - most machine shops can whip up the rest of the special tool for physical stuff - but the gear and software to check and if need be modify the onboard electronics are going to be the tough ones. Only thing I can see there is people reverse engineering the actual modules and coming up with alternatives - there again only if the volume warrants it.Cheers,Cameron

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