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One strap or two? (swivel trailer discussion)

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On ‎2017‎-‎10‎-‎24 at 5:35 AM, tolsen said:

Conventional trailers are better in my humble opinion. 

No way could you transport below cargo on a swivel contraption. 

The two 2 x 6 pieces of sawn timber are each 7 m long. 

 

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure this is not only safer but a better method! Sorry Tolsen!

 

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Just mind that massively long non articulated load.  Good way to kneecap pedestrians while making a left turn.

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3 hours ago, Mike T said:

Just mind that massively long non articulated load.  Good way to kneecap pedestrians while making a left turn.

 

What about a right turn?

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looks like that truck owner is responsible enough to at least know his contraption is a trailer and he has it plated.

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Max overhang in the uk is 3.05 m. More and you need to give two days notice to the police and arrange escort vehicles with flashing lights plus have special markings visible at all sides. I was just lucky. 

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1 hour ago, tolsen said:

Max overhang in the uk is 3.05 m. More and you need to give two days notice to the police and arrange escort vehicles with flashing lights plus have special markings visible at all sides. I was just lucky. 

Would you have to get a permit and pay for such a service that you did not comply with?  Lucky you did not get caught you rebel you! What kind of fine would it have been?

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2 hours ago, LooseLugNuts said:

looks like that truck owner is responsible enough to at least know his contraption is a trailer and he has it plated.

I'm very certain that this is a grey area that can go either way . You will notice the first few pictures are sold as cargo carriers labeled by the manufacturer. If you make your own does that give you the right to call it what you will?

The other pictures are swivel wheel trailer where I think the owners are standing in line getting their plate!

I think the last one is making a getaway without a plate!

 

 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, LooseLugNuts said:

looks like that truck owner is responsible enough to at least know his contraption is a trailer and he has it plated.

Take a look at these swivel wheel carriers. Do you see a plate on any of them. Not one!

Because it is classed as a carrier. An extension of the vehicle with a support wheel.

https://www.cruiserlift.com/

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I have contacted cruise lift and they suggested it is up to the buyer if they wish to register it with a plate. They do not cassify it as a trailer only as a carrier with a support wheel. Cruise lift suggested that having a plate should make it hassle free. 

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again..you have to look at your local laws 

 

my local law is the Ontario highway traffic act..and those swivel wheel contraptions are trailers by the definition used in the HTA... cargo carriers do not have wheels..all their weight is supported by the vehicle

 

cruiserlift is in texas and i have no idea what their laws are

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1 hour ago, caldense said:

I'm very certain that this is a grey area that can go either way . You will notice the first few pictures are sold as cargo carriers labeled by the manufacturer. If you make your own does that give you the right to call it what you will?

The other pictures are swivel wheel trailer where I think the owners are standing in line getting their plate!

I think the last one is making a getaway without a plate!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

doesnt matter what you decide to call it..doesnt matter what the manufacturer calls it

 

doesnt matter what any internet forum member calls it

 

what matters is the laws (and wording of the laws) of the jurisdiction you choose to use it in..

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Some of those caster tires look good for maybe 50 km/h.

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1 hour ago, LooseLugNuts said:

 

doesnt matter what you decide to call it..doesnt matter what the manufacturer calls it

 

doesnt matter what any internet forum member calls it

 

what matters is the laws (and wording of the laws) of the jurisdiction you choose to use it in..

You seem to be very knowledgeable on this topic.

Can you reference the section of the Ontario HTA or other official ministries regarding the details of what constitutes a trailer?

As was said in an early post of the pro's and con's of the swivel trailer its better to play it safe and get a plate.

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overhang will take out cars in the next lane rather than pedestrians!  Better to bend metal than people!

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What is max load carrying rating of a swivel trailer?

Easy if classed as a trailer as will be stated on a plate afixed somewhere in your car unless yours is a Smart. 

If classed as a load carrier, then the load carrying rating is limited by what is maximum for a car without trailer in which case you may find you can carry nothing. 

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The load is calculated by the tire range capacity.  4.8x8 is usually Load Range B, 590 lbs each. Single wheel can only carry half of a regular trailer.

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Its not designed to carry heavy loads. It's meant to be a convenient way of carrying large objects not necessarily heavy ones. The heaviest item I transported was when I moved a 450 motor and transmission to another location. I'm guessing it was around 210 lbs.  It would have been very difficult to maneuver into the location I had to go to if I was to use a  trailer. Incredibly easy to back in and to unload. The sweet thing is its lower to the ground than my pickup truck which makes loading and unloading easier.

 

 

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12 hours ago, caldense said:

You seem to be very knowledgeable on this topic.

Can you reference the section of the Ontario HTA or other official ministries regarding the details of what constitutes a trailer?

As was said in an early post of the pro's and con's of the swivel trailer its better to play it safe and get a plate.

 

its difficult to find specifics because a trailer is considered a vehicle so many of the requirements are covered under the vehicle laws

 

heres is a link to the Ontario HTA

 

https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/90h08

 

 

here is the official definition of trailer given at the beginning 

 

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“trailer” means a vehicle that is at any time drawn upon a highway by a motor vehicle, except an implement of husbandry, a mobile home, another motor vehicle or any device or apparatus not designed to transport persons or property, temporarily drawn, propelled or moved upon such highway, and except a side car attached to a motorcycle, and shall be considered a separate vehicle and not part of the motor vehicle by which it is drawn; (“remorque”)

 

and a few other things i found quick

 

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Permit for trailer

(4) No person shall draw a trailer on a highway unless,

(a) there exists a permit for the trailer; and

(b) there is displayed on the trailer, in the prescribed manner, a number plate showing the number of the permit issued for the trailer.  R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 7 (4).

 

 

and of course there is all the other stuff like lights ..fender etc....

 

i hear they are getting so strict down south that people are even getting tickets for leaving trailer ball mount in hitch when not towing and that gets them an obstructed plate ticket

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8 hours ago, tolsen said:

What is max load carrying rating of a swivel trailer?

Easy if classed as a trailer as will be stated on a plate afixed somewhere in your car unless yours is a Smart. 

If classed as a load carrier, then the load carrying rating is limited by what is maximum for a car without trailer in which case you may find you can carry nothing. 

 

thats exactly where the gray area comes into play

 

if enforcement notices the manufacturers plate ..i would bet a decent lawyer could squeeze past that 

 

if i remember right theres a picture somewhere on this site of original smart 450 advertising (canadian ad) that actually touts towing capacity as 500kg (i could be wrong though because it was a long time ago i seen it,,i think it was bill gladstone posted it)

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Hi everyone... I have cleaned up the two recent topics which discussed 'swivel trailer's', and that includes removing a bunch of posts that were not helpful to the discussion (ie: off-topic), or were otherwise just unhelpful (rude/inflammatory)

 

And as a bonus, we'll keep the merged topic locked, because we've had a really good go at this one, and the various opinions are here, well explained, with photos!!, and if you are reading this post, I am sure you have enjoyed insight into the pros and cons of hitchhiking, er, I mean 'swivelling with a TRAILER'.... 

 

In Canada, trailers require license plates.... Club smart Car does not endorse or recommend attaching swivel trailers and driving on roadways without them having passed an inspection and also for them to be properly licensed in the jurisdiction they are to be operated.

 

 

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