luwie

Luwie from the Netherlands

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Hello there Smart Lovers :D

 

I'm Theo Luwema from the Netherlands and I drive a Smart Roadster.


Mine is the one on the left.

I just read this artikel about the fact that you Canadians can buy and drive Smart Roadsters!

 

Roadster in Canada

 

We are from Holland and have some Roadsters for export.
Are there any Smart garage's in Canada how are interested in setting up a Export for the Smart Roadster?

Greetings

Theo Luwema

Netherlands

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Vehicles that were first registered at least 15 years ago are eligible for import to Canada.  On the western coast, it's very inexpensive to get LHD 15 year old cars from Japan, where used car values are very low.

 

Are the cars you sell properly waterproofed?

 

I test drove a new roadster in Villiers-sur-Marne in 2005 and even that brand new car had a problem with the retractable soft top!

 

If I import a non-conforming car eventually, it will be a Peugeot RCZ, in several years' time.

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I would be seriously interested in one. I went to the MB dealer when I first came to canada and tried to buy one(failed)

 

How much would a normal low mileage one cost shipped to b.c? The problem is you can get a top spec 2000 japanese mx5 for $4000 and rx7 for $8000

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We are looking into it to see if there is good business case.
If I would export a Smart Roadster to Canada it would be a low mileage Roadster with full options.
Off course there is a price for a Roadster like that.

That's the same here in Europe, if you want to buy a decent Roadster there is a price tag on it.


About the  retractable soft top ........and the leakage.....

In the UK they called the Roadster the "leakster"....

Mercedes gave out a service Manuel about the leaks, and they can be fixed.

The Smart Roadster is a fun Car ,and should be kept in the garage , and when the weather is nice........
Roof Down and look for the roads with a lots off bends :D

(RobCDI) ......please don't compare the Smart Roadster with the MX5 or RX7 :(

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http://www.goo-net-exchange.com/usedcars/MCC_SMART/SMART_ROADSTER/700957020930171218001/index.html

 

There's a decent roadster from Japan with 40K km, however it is RHD.  LHD ones show up from time to time.  Shipment to Canada would be under $2000 CAD, perhaps as much as half of that.  So this is what you would be competing against, to consider in your business case.

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20 minutes ago, MikeT said:

http://www.goo-net-exchange.com/usedcars/MCC_SMART/SMART_ROADSTER/700957020930171218001/index.html

 

There's a decent roadster from Japan with 40K km, however it is RHD.  LHD ones show up from time to time.  Shipment to Canada would be under $2000 CAD, perhaps as much as half of that.  So this is what you would be competing against, to consider in your business case.

 

That would still be about $16,000, it would have to be a die hard roadster fan to pay that. You could get

 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201712222235336?make=SMART&model=ROADSTER&logcode=p

for $10,000 less

 

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I certainly would not buy a roadster at any price....they're fun to drive, but I already have a much more valuable and fun to drive hobby car.  If I HAD to have one, it would be a BRABUS though.

 

As for the systematic importation of roadsters to Canada, I would be surprised if more than 3 or 5 people in the entire country might be willing to pay more than $5000 for one, even though they're worth two to four times that in Europe and Japan.  If someone brought 5-10 in on speculation, I think that person would lose his shirt!

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Thank you for your answers

 

It's nice to look into this.

About the examples above mentioned:

The Japanese Roadster ,is a LHD ,I think this is not relevant for the Canadian market.

It has a Brabus button on the gearschift and a Brabus fuel cap, but it's not a real Brabus.

It's a standard Roadster with Brabus Add on's.
That is no problem because the sellers doesn't advertise him as a REAL Brabus.

 

The one in England with 3 pictures is very cheap,(3400 CD) But there is a big But.
I have been looking around for Roadsters for quite a time now, and if they are cheap you must wunder why are these Roadsters so cheap?

Sometimes I drove many miles to buy a Roadster, and the advert would say it's a great Roadster.
I would call the owner and ask about the condition of the Roadster, everything 100 %!

Then when you are finally there to make the deal.......................
Ochh yeah small problem with the engine............
I always take my MB star with me to check the Roadster.
So then you can turn around and leave it, that's the best you can do.

So more about prices........
Sometimes people come to me in the parkinglot and ask me what a Roadster would cost.

My answer is somewhere between 3000 CD and 30.000 CD.
Then you can see on there faces that they don't understand.

I will try to explain this:

 

A Roadster in a very bad condition with high mileage you can buy for 3000 CD.
(If you have a lot off spare time and you have access to spare parts and you are handy and if you have the money to fix it, this is your Roadster!)

 

A Roadster in a better condition with lower mileage will start at say 6000 CD.

A Roadster in a good condition with lower mileage and with full option will go for 7500 CD and up.
 

A Roadster in a very good condition with lower mileage and with full option can also go for 10.000 CD

(this would be a Roadster that is only used in summer and taken care off like a baby)

 

Then we come to the Brabus sections
A Brabus Roadster in not the best state with high mileage go for 15.000 CD

 

A very good Brabus can cost as much as 22.000 CD.

 

And the last Type off Roadsters are the special ones.....the collector editions.
There was one for sale here about a month ago for 30.000 CD.

If you look up a carsite like mobile.de you will see that these prices are right.

So comparing Roadster is not so easy,there are things to look for, for instance the extra's on a Roadster are quit expensive.

A paddle shift steering will can cost 1000 CD.
A nice set off wheels can cost you 2000 CD.
 

So is it interesting to export a cheap problem car?
I don't think so, Then I will only export one Roadster and that will be the end off the story.

 

In my opinion there could be a market in Canada for Good low mileage full options 60kW Roadsters.

I am now looking into the transport costs and stuff like that.

 

Sorry for the bad Englisch...

 

Greetings Theo Luwema

 

 

 

 

 

 

 





 
 



 

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  Your English is fine, Theo!

 

If you can believe it, Canada is crawling with right hand drive (RHD) Japanese Domestic Market 15+ year old cars.  I would fail to see the attraction of driving a RHD car in this country, but many don't. 

 

Having just returned myself from Japan, there are plenty of left hand drive cars there too, because left hand drive is considered by some to be a point of prestige in that country.  So it's quite easy to find good left hand drive/right hand traffic cars there.  Goo-net is just one source and I have seen mint LHD roadsters with under 50K km for sale over there for about 2 million yen or less (~$20K CAD).  All you have to do is change the headlights....

 

But the bottom line is that smarts are not reliable cars in a general sense so importing these will not be a lucrative business.  Very, very few would be interested, and those who are will likely know where to buy the one they want in Japan or possibly Europe.  Most people won't pay real money for a tiny vehicle that performs like a 1950s sports car, has no local dealer support, and when - yes - excellent alternatives like the Miata and many others exist, which are faster, cheaper and do have dealer support.  So only the super hardcore smart fan may be interested.

 

smart is on its way out as a brand from North America; the petrol models have all been discontinued last year and they are now selling a derisory number of electric drive models each month, under 30 an sometimes closer to 20.  This is your potential market, minus those who don't want an old car.

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43 minutes ago, MikeT said:

 I would fail to see the attraction of driving a RHD car in this country, but many don't. 

 

 

I just sold my 1990 base spec stock NA mx5(with hard top and nb rims) for $4100, rusty, good paint but needs work, 280,000kms. For the same price you could get a top spec(never available in canada) NB mx5, no rust, 85,000km. I drove my old mx5 about 70,000km in temps from -37c to +41c. PERFECT reliability, started with ease every time. I was going to replace it with a newer Japanese one but then i saw the smart car and got that instead.

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I know that if you have a good Roadster they are very reliable.
The current Roadster I'm driving for the last 2 years never let me down,no warning lights no nothing.
And I drive the Roadster Summer and winter.
Imported in this matter is that there is a Smart specialist in Canada how has knowledge about the 450.
The 450 has the same electronics and motor management as the Roadster.

This Dealer could than be a service location for the Roadster.

 

performs like a 1950s sports car ?????????????
Sorry Mike....................if you go and drive the Roadster in the roundabouts not many cars will follow you!!!

 

Today I got some prices for the schipping cost.................they are quite high.....
Hmmmm
Not so good

 

 


 

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Luwie 

Is the roadster gasoline or diesel?  I believe it is gasoline and we didn’t get the gasoline model 450 in Canada so as Mike has said there won’t be any dealer support here.  Basically we don’t have much in the way of dealer support other than parts for the cars that were sold here.

 

Nigel

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25 minutes ago, Nigel said:

Luwie 

Is the roadster gasoline or diesel?  I believe it is gasoline and we didn’t get the gasoline model 450 in Canada so as Mike has said there won’t be any dealer support here.  Basically we don’t have much in the way of dealer support other than parts for the cars that were sold here.

 

Nigel

It's a Gasoline engine (98) ,I did not know that the gasoline version was not sold in Canada........................
:( I'm not feeling very happy right now......................
I was in canada for work one time and I loved it!(I was in Halifax)
So nice people and so open minded, I really liked that week I was There! :D
Best option maybe is to go and live in Canada????

(But it's so cold)

 

 

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The weather is the same as NL on Vancouver Island.

 

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Here I am in the middle of my 2005 road test in Villiers-sur-Marne.  The car handled the corners very well, but so did the 1959 Austin Healey Sprite that I drove one summer in 1980....

 

So yes there would be no dealer support for service here in Canada, since that engine was unknown here.  A car for the 2 or 3 hardcore Canadian smart nuts, who have a STAR system at home and are really wanting a roadster.

 

Years ago there was speculation that 15 year old crossblades would be coming in around this time too.  So far: nothing....

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