Paul

I hate engineers

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How could anyone be capable of building a car where you have to drop the engine to replace a starter motor or an alternator? Its beyond me!

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gotta make compromises to get it all in such a tight efficient package

 

i think VW are worse...they did stupid shit for no reason at all except to add complications where there was no benefit

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Nothing new.  I had a VW Westfalia 40 years ago and almost every service procedure had the same first line “remove engine”.

Some of the newer diesel pickups start with remove cab for head gaskets. 
 

I think the real issue is it is just different than we have done the job before on other vehicles.

 

Nigel

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It's not all that bad if you use the lowering bolts, so I hear.  I have a set but have not had to use them yet.

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It is the modern times. All cars regardless of make these days are just hopeless to work on. 

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Once you get those 4 sub frame bolts loose or out, anti-seize them so they are easier next time to remove....I had one that I nearly flipped the car over trying to undo it.  Once you do get the lowering bolts or make a set it's not so bad.  BUT I agree.....what happened to sitting on the inner fender to work on the engine and still never have to move while pulling the engine out....lol.  My biggest gripe is, far too much electronics, bring back the days of one wire or maybe 3 to get a car to run....those were the days.  We didn't require a computer system to diagnose a simple issue or do a simple repair.  But hey, they also didn't get 80 mpgs....so I'll stop complaining now....lol.

 

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The smart is what it is. You have to adapt to it not the other way around.

And yes it can be frustrating but when you do a successful repair it can give you great pleasure!

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47 minutes ago, smart142 said:

The smart is what it is. You have to adapt to it not the other way around.

And yes it can be frustrating but when you do a successful repair it can give you great pleasure!

We are talking about a car not a woman right....lol

 

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16 hours ago, Willys said:

We are talking about a car not a woman right....lol

 

Both!!

 

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OK, I finally got motivated to see what was going on with the starter. I found a post that showed where to wiggle the solenoid wire from the top. two minutes later it was running. ARRGH! Been fine since. So much for dropping the engine as others have suggested. Glad I found that info.

 

Nigel, I still own a 82 Westfalia camper. Its much easier to work on, and I took it to Vancouver Island and back last summer from southern Ontario. No real problems

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Hey Paul we probably passed each other last year.  We were on Vancouver Island last June and got home about the third week of July.

My starter decided to not work last week and I have to wiggle the connection.  Willys offered to help with my thermostat yesterday and we fixed the starter connection at the same time, really I bought lunch and he got his hands dirty.  
 

Nigel

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Nigel, probably. Ask Willy about our adventure to Inuvik next time you see him

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3 minutes ago, Paul said:

Nigel, probably. Ask Willy about our adventure to Inuvik next time you see him

I'm up for another trip out west one day, but on 4 wheels, and preferably something I can sleep in.....either that being the Smart with Clever-End or a MB Sprinter van.....lol.

One way or the other I'm going back to dip my big toe and maybe more into the Arctic Ocean.....Just because.

 

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Paul.....If you want to do it right, it's not that bad...and while you're in there deal with the thermostat....You simply unbolt the 4 sub frame bolts and take the front two out and loosen the rears half way out then lift the body up using two scissor jacks. Gives you plenty of room to do surgery....far easier than messing with the issue from the side...IMHO.

Seriously it's easy ask Nigel, he watched....lol

 

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I ended up disconnecting the battery, and used a long screwdriver down from the top thru the intake ports. worked for a month, then stopped again. Wiggled it around again, and sprayed with lube/rust penetrate. seems to be ok for now. A lot simpler than the other methods

 

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You planning on driving it during the winter months? I'd be dropping the frame before the cold weather gets here buddy......it's easy seriously it is....That it if you can loosen the sub frame bolts, they can be tight!  You'll thank me later....lol.

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On 8/29/2020 at 0:14 PM, Paul said:

OK, I finally got motivated to see what was going on with the starter. I found a post that showed where to wiggle the solenoid wire from the top. two minutes later it was running. ARRGH! Been fine since. So much for dropping the engine as others have suggested. Glad I found that info.

 

Nigel, I still own a 82 Westfalia camper. Its much easier to work on, and I took it to Vancouver Island and back last summer from southern Ontario. No real problems

please put a link to the post i would like to see it so I know Thank you 

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Ptooti, I'm not sure where the post is, but it is in this forum. Basically you take off the engine cover in the trunk. take a flashlight, and looking down through the intake manifold you can actually see the connector on the RH side of the starter motor. You might want to disconnect the + battery post as there is the unfused main starter cable very close to it. using a long (12 inch?) narrow flat screwdriver, reach down and just jiggle the black plastic cover of the connector. I also sprayed some anti-rust down on the connector. So far its been OK. You dont have to wiggle too much, just enough to break the corrosion

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