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2006/2010 smart CDI in the US rebuild

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Ok, sorry for going dark. That is all good information that I will definitely be reflecting on later. Don't forget Willies, the seller ripped me off and basically took everything except the trans, AC compressor, and alternator but I already had the built engine from a 54hp version. I have to buy and rebuild damn near everything. I believe the block and engine are the same throughout all models. It is just the addons, newer parts, and tunes that improve upon it. In a perfect world, the goal would be to build it to work like the 54hp version but have the looser emissions of the 450 (which the vehicle is and the standard I would be held to if anyone asks), as well as fewer things Canadian diesels require ( I believe). Also yeah, the brakes aren't a big deal but I despise changing drum brakes.

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I noticed when looking at the engines over at MWSmart between the two models that there are differences in the castings where the water pump/alt/air con, etc etc are located.....I was simply searching for answers to my problem and noticed it.  That makes me believe that you can't simply make the later model work the same as the earlier model...?  That is by using the different year parts etc.  Then you get into the electronics of the whole thing. IMHO, it would be easier to simply buy a complete wiring harness from the same model as the engine is and work from there?  As I have said before, even taking a flight up to the Great White North and buying a wrecked car, taking the time to take everything off it yourself and shipping it back home as parts for your car in the south...?  I know not quite the legal way to do things maybe, but it may slow your white hairs from coming in prematurely...lol. After my ordeal and on going problems, it's what i would do. Izzy is the guy I would speak to and see if he can help? I know he has 450 CDI's but don't know if he has any 451 models . I'm sure if it was profitable for him he could find one...? Even I could but don't want the extra work involved in stripping it down. etc. IF you did the fly in and do the work I bet you could have it done in a weekend. Packaged up and shipped in the next day or so. Then the rest goes to the scrap metal man.  IMHO seriously the only way to do it and know you have everything you require.   Just my bent nickle's worth...sorry.

 

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HMMMM, that's good to know. I actually did look into a 451 harness and that is doable. I have thought about it from the start actually. Even putting all this in a new clean gas body. With all the parts I am buying why the hell not. But what you are saying about essentially importing one is what I have now. I went the whole route trying it legally and had ALL the information, the agencies to clear it with, what I could and couldn't do but each agency wanted a signature from each other and no one would give me one. I also found out that if you remove the engine and trans it isn't legally a car and thus doesn't require any import rules. Then I found a Canadian who moved here with theirs, it died and here we are.

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That is expensive. My 2009 cost me £500 in 2016 and my 2012 cost me £1000 in 2021.

I thought I had paid a lot for the 2012 but I needed it quickly as a motorbike had bitten my 2009. I just sold the 2012 for £1500 and have mended the 2009 which is a much better car.

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CDI's up here in the great grey North are now very popular and are demanding a good dollar even if it is a Trudeau defunked dollar....lol.   Sorry couldn't resist...lol.

IF you want a good running car and that isn't a pretty one you can expect to pay $3500 and nice ones go far more!   Even used engines and parts cars aren't cheap any more.  I know of 3 parts car that have hail damaged roofs and he wants over $1,000 for them with mid km speedos.

I agree, simply swapping out all the electronics and power is an interesting way to go, BUT, the dash will be different which means you'll never get it to look nice, unless you can get the 450 dash to fit in the 451 frame ..?   The rest is simply hidden from sight, right?

 

I would go after a gas 450 if you have one and go that route. OR buy good used parts from up here and ship them in or drive up and fetch them back.  Your sub frame comes to mind as an example.  That stripped down even if separated between top and bottom parts can't be that much to ship on a truck...?   Like I sad before my neighbor drives down a few times a year and brings back stuff all the time so he could have space on the way down if he's paid for his troubles etc etc...?????

 

Then you have the issue with, never being able to sell illegally speaking...?   OR can that be done after the fact?   But I would simply run it till dead myself.
 

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Wow Mjolinor that is crazy! I am so jealous. I talked to importers and everything and couldn't get one delivered from over seas either. 

 

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The few CDIs I saw for sale online some years ago are obviously gone but that price is a lot higher than it was. I'm surprised parts are that crazy. This one has a glass roof. Mine you this car is a 450 from 2006 NOT a 451. But really, I have almost every part from a 2010 451 CDI engine and its components.
Stripped down technically that should be more than enough, last I checked. The more parts the less of a problem. The only shipping example I have is shipping just a bare subframe from California to here is $700. I don't remember the cost of shipping the engine here from Germany.


I'll keep that friend in mind 100%! I am pretty reasonable when someone is willing to go out of their way to help me. Sadly right now I have $0. Really, at this point, I would like to be able to drive this thing. Roll the subframe under it and go. If that means just fixing the rocker I cut out and wheeling in a loaded subframe I would do it.
Regarding selling. I think that front is fine. I got all the titling, registration and insurance (briefly) done. The only tough thing is getting it here to begin with. So if I opted to sell it I should be fine. But after all this effort I would probably just keep it. I even started planning a trailer to haul it with.

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I don't mean to keep raining on your parade so to speak, just going by the shit show I'm going through here with mine electrically speaking....and mine is simply same parts same year etc etc and still won't run right. So when mixing years and models, just the electrical now is a scarey situation imho. You imho need the entire electrical wiring harness from the 451 model to install into the 450 to get that 451 engine with it's sensors etc to operate as they want. That would be my thinking...? Maybe I'm over thinking it...??? I hope I am. I know how much you have tied up in your project as I too have gone way over board doing mine and all my parts came from MW-Smart. Not saying their prices are out to lunch in any way as they were the best I could find any where too, and at the time their shipping rates were excellent. Now I'm not so sure for the heavy bits...?  I have more stuff on it's way as we speak...lol.
I sure hope to see one day you get it running and driving.

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2 hours ago, Willys said:


I sure hope to see one day you get it running and driving.

 

Me too if I live long enough. :)

 

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No need to worry. This is all good information to have. Honestly at this point, if I could get one over here it would probably still be cheaper than finishing the one I started. Even the body, suspension, abs sensor, so much is rusty and broken. The first thing I can do is just get it put together and just see what happens. See what sensors aren't happy, if it will start, etc.. I am stuck waiting though. The Mercedes dealership is still waiting on 70 parts of about $1700 in parts I ordered over two months ago. As for MWsmart, I believe I am the last or one of the few Americans they are still selling parts to. That's what they have told me anyway. I made a big purchase and have actually sent payments after ordering the parts. Other than the VAT tax it's pretty good on shipping. They will even sell me a subframe. The engine only had a couple hundred in shipping, if that. Well, the engine was $1850 and shipping was $39 lol. Something like that.

These days it just seems to be a whole lot of waiting. That and money lol. And random events like the garage flooding.

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I am waiting also, head gasket, head bolt and connecting rod bolts and an oil chain......augh!!!!  But shipping was what you quoted if i recall correctly.  Dirt cheap!

 

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