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 Mar 8 2010 - 03:40 AM
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Hey everyone, is it possible to make the rear tires off a 450 fit on the front? (with the rim of course)
or if not, are there wider tires that fit on the stock steelie rims? I need new summer tires so I'm looking through my options thanks 
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Mar 8 2010 - 04:00 AM
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The 450 rear rims are offset too deeply to fit on the front. You can, as a number of us have done, get a pair of Roadster front steel wheels for the front - they fit very nicely - and then you can put rear (175) tires on those.
E.g. Roadie front rims about $85 each. I have had Roadster front steelies with wider tires on my car for a few years now and the handling is much improved. Alternatively, you can use the wider (155) tires that come on the 451 on your stock front steelies. This will give you somewhat improved handling without buying new rims. Or... you can get a full set of Roadster front and rears and put 175 on front and 195 on the back. This combination is highly recommended, as it retains the "stagger" designed into the car for oversteer control. E.g. Eddy offers a full set of Roadie rims, including excellent 175/195 Vredestein Quatrac All-season tires, mounted, for about $900. HTH, Bil  -------------------- Are you on the map? CLICK HERE to add your marker!
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Mar 8 2010 - 05:38 AM
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Group: Regular Members Posts: 320 Joined: Feb 7th, 06 From: Bolton, Ontario Member No.: 601 |
QUOTE (bilgladstone @ Mar 8 2010 - 07:00 AM)  The 450 rear rims are offset too deeply to fit on the front. You can, as a number of us have done, get a pair of Roadster front steel wheels for the front - they fit very nicely - and then you can put rear (175) tires on those. E.g. Roadie front rims about $85 each. I have had Roadster front steelies with wider tires on my car for a few years now and the handling is much improved. Alternatively, you can use the wider (155) tires that come on the 451 on your stock front steelies. This will give you somewhat improved handling without buying new rims. Or... you can get a full set of Roadster front and rears and put 175 on front and 195 on the back. This combination is highly recommended, as it retains the "stagger" designed into the car for oversteer control. E.g. Eddy offers a full set of Roadie rims, including excellent 175/195 Vredestein Quatrac All-season tires, mounted, for about $900. HTH, Bil wicked, i'll see what I can afford and go with that Where can i get the roadster rims in Canada? -------------------- CSV Graphics - For all your vehicle vinyl needs, msg me for info :)
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Mar 8 2010 - 05:41 AM
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Mar 8 2010 - 05:44 AM
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QUOTE (smartsk88er @ Mar 8 2010 - 05:38 AM) wicked, i'll see what I can afford and go with that Where can i get the roadster rims in Canada? Flying Tiger is one place. It's where I got mine. B
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Mar 8 2010 - 05:54 AM
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Group: Regular Members Posts: 320 Joined: Feb 7th, 06 From: Bolton, Ontario Member No.: 601 |
QUOTE (bilgladstone @ Mar 8 2010 - 08:44 AM) If I have front roadster rims and rear 450 steelies, do they look different enough to look weird? -------------------- CSV Graphics - For all your vehicle vinyl needs, msg me for info :)
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Mar 8 2010 - 06:03 AM
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This is my smart. There are many like it, but this one is mine. Group: Regular Members Posts: 9,038 Joined: Jun 12th, 05 From: Kelowna, British Columbia, CANADA Member No.: 95 |
QUOTE (smartsk88er @ Mar 8 2010 - 05:54 AM) If I have front roadster rims and rear 450 steelies, do they look different enough to look weird? Weird... you tell me?Not that weird ever bothers me  
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Mar 8 2010 - 06:04 AM
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I bought wheel covers to hide the difference.
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Mar 8 2010 - 03:30 PM
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Silver will look noticably different, but as said, full size wheels covers will hide that...
but you should consider just buying a whole package with tires aready on perhaps you can sell off all your other wheels/tires and just go to one set of all seasons the Vredesteins will work pretty good in snow --------------------  ScanGauge II Special CsC pricing in effect! Only $149.95 w/FREE shipping!  Best mileage to date: 2.23 L/100km - 105 mpg (US) - 126 mpg (imp) |
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Mar 8 2010 - 07:09 PM
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Group: Regular Members Posts: 320 Joined: Feb 7th, 06 From: Bolton, Ontario Member No.: 601 |
QUOTE (smartzuuk @ Mar 8 2010 - 06:30 PM) Silver will look noticably different, but as said, full size wheels covers will hide that... but you should consider just buying a whole package with tires aready on perhaps you can sell off all your other wheels/tires and just go to one set of all seasons the Vredesteins will work pretty good in snow I park my smart for the winter, and the tires I have now are pretty well worn out, wouldnt be worth anything to anyone. I have two brand new rears, so I want to get 2 roadster fronts and get 2 more rears, so I'll finally have a nice summer setup
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Mar 8 2010 - 07:20 PM
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This is my smart. There are many like it, but this one is mine. Group: Regular Members Posts: 9,038 Joined: Jun 12th, 05 From: Kelowna, British Columbia, CANADA Member No.: 95 |
QUOTE (smartsk88er @ Mar 8 2010 - 07:09 PM) I have two brand new rears, so I want to get 2 roadster fronts and get 2 more rears, so I'll finally have a nice summer setup That is the least expensive way to get into wider tires on the 450. Instead, you might want to consider buying a pair of 195/50/15s. Put those on your stock rear steelies (yes, they'll fit) and use those new rear 175/55/15s you already have on the new roadie fronts! Not sure what tires you have now, but if you can match them up pretty close, that would be a great-handling combination. FWIW, Bil 
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Mar 8 2010 - 08:24 PM
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Group: Regular Members Posts: 320 Joined: Feb 7th, 06 From: Bolton, Ontario Member No.: 601 |
QUOTE (bilgladstone @ Mar 8 2010 - 10:20 PM) That is the least expensive way to get into wider tires on the 450. Instead, you might want to consider buying a pair of 195/50/15s. Put those on your stock rear steelies (yes, they'll fit) and use those new rear 175/55/15s you already have on the new roadie fronts! Not sure what tires you have now, but if you can match them up pretty close, that would be a great-handling combination. FWIW, Bil hmm thanks, I'll look into that
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Mar 14 2010 - 02:44 PM
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Group: Regular Members Posts: 320 Joined: Feb 7th, 06 From: Bolton, Ontario Member No.: 601 |
Picked up a set of Roadster front and rear rims (thanks Dennis), so now the hunt begins for what tires to use. I have two new standard rear bridgestone 175/55/R15. Will these tires also fit on the roadster rears? or are there any specific 195/50/R15 tires that are recommended?
Thanks
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 Mar 14 2010 - 03:09 PM
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Hi !
When steelies were mounted on a Roadster/Roadster Coupé the OEM size was 185-55-15 all around. You could use them on Your smart m/450 with almost no problems. For the fronts You may shims out the front fenders forward a little bit. The rear ones can be widened 15 mm each with adaptors. Good Luck ! KfL :-) -------------------- Member # 10 of www.smartfan.nu
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Mar 14 2010 - 03:49 PM
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Group: Regular Members Posts: 320 Joined: Feb 7th, 06 From: Bolton, Ontario Member No.: 601 |
So without doing modifications or adding spacers would it be best to go with the 185/55r15 on rear and 175/55r15 on front? (because I already have those)
what's the difference between 185 ad 195? Is it the tire height? -------------------- CSV Graphics - For all your vehicle vinyl needs, msg me for info :)
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Mar 14 2010 - 03:56 PM
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The wider the tire, the taller the sidewall, if the aspect ratio (say 55) is the same. Taller sidewall = larger diameter and of course Pi times that is the change it makes to circumference. Mixing up tire circumferences may cause ESP confusion so it's best to stay with OE (Europe) type sizing if you are going wider, or OE smart sizing from one of the other fortwo-based vehicles like the roadster.
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Mar 14 2010 - 04:16 PM
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This is my smart. There are many like it, but this one is mine. Group: Regular Members Posts: 9,038 Joined: Jun 12th, 05 From: Kelowna, British Columbia, CANADA Member No.: 95 |
QUOTE (smartsk88er @ Mar 14 2010 - 03:44 PM) Picked up a set of Roadster front and rear rims (thanks Dennis), so now the hunt begins for what tires to use. I have two new standard rear bridgestone 175/55/R15. Will these tires also fit on the roadster rears? or are there any specific 195/50/R15 tires that are recommended? Thanks You have what I presume are Bridgestone B340s (175/55/15) for the front. Maybe consider Conti Premium Contact 195/50R15 for the rear. There are other brands and styles of 195/50/15 but they are mostly ultra high performance and I feel they might exacerbate the designed-in over-steer to0 much. If you look around a bit, you may find that certain vendors have reduced the price of the Premium Contacts to about the same as the lower-tier ProContacts. Also get a quote from your dealer. They might price-match if you're lucky! HTH, Bil Oh... and à propos Mike's comment: 175/195 is the OE profile/stagger for the Roadie wheels IIRC. This post has been edited by bilgladstone: Mar 14 2010 - 05:19 PM -------------------- Are you on the map? CLICK HERE to add your marker!
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Mar 14 2010 - 05:41 PM
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'Floating' Director of CsC Group: Moderators Posts: 20,054 Joined: May 24th, 05 From: Ladysmith, Vancouver Island, BC CDN Member No.: 5 |
I was thinking more of the 16s that were on OE roadster spikelines, which is one of the wheels that Eddy sells.
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Mar 15 2010 - 02:08 PM
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QUOTE (bilgladstone @ Mar 14 2010 - 07:16 PM) You have what I presume are Bridgestone B340s (175/55/15) for the front. Maybe consider Conti Premium Contact 195/50R15 for the rear. There are other brands and styles of 195/50/15 but they are mostly ultra high performance and I feel they might exacerbate the designed-in over-steer to0 much. If you look around a bit, you may find that certain vendors have reduced the price of the Premium Contacts to about the same as the lower-tier ProContacts. Also get a quote from your dealer. They might price-match if you're lucky! HTH, Bil Like the man said, the B340's are ok for the front, but I wouldn't spend money on them for the rears. IMHO they are a really crappy tire. -------------------- The Twins
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