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@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:28 PM) and if I brake REAL hard I feel a clunk on the steering wheel)
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:27 PM) the springs are not broken (as far as I could see, at least)
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:26 PM) ( I like toffee, it goes well with pearl)
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:26 PM) nah, I don't. But I want to do something different: Toffee and chesterfield inserts in gray
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:26 PM) yeah, clunks are bad. Ball joints more than likely, but could also be sway bar links or even a broken spring (very common)
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:24 PM) if you have a leather guy, that's awesome. Mister Dotcom used to supply fitted pieces in the original smart leather. There's a trim shop in the UK now that does our cars but not sure how close it is to the original dark grey leather
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:23 PM) and the front has some clunks when I go too hard on a pothole.
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:23 PM) nice
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:22 PM) this car, although is a rebuilt, has only 65k on it
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:22 PM) yeah... my plan is: wheels/tires, suspension (nothing too fancy, I don't want to drop the car), Eddie's remap, put leather on the interior and wrap it in pearl white
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:21 PM) twit hinges? Twitchiness... Lol
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:21 PM) On our cars? The bushings will resolve some squeaks and some of the twit hinges on uneven bends. But overall, only do it if you suspect your bushes are worn out. I've only done the rear link bushings
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:19 PM) Yeah, you'll notice a better suspension, though former, makes the ride more bearable. It's counterintuitive, but ask any of the local YVR smarties who've done that.
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:19 PM) (the wheels)
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:19 PM) they're european (Poland)
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:18 PM) speaking o that, is there any REAL advantage on those powerflex bushings?
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:18 PM) you won't regret an upgrade to those sizes.
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:17 PM) suspension will come later ( my tires are going the way of the dodo...)
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:17 PM) its a great price, especially if you have a US mailing address available. Chances are they are made in Asia, but I've only ver paid Gst/pst on Asian stuff other than shoes.
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:17 PM) yep... this is what I'm planning to do... 175 and 195.
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:16 PM) oh, and while I'm at it: you will simply not benefit from wider tires (on any size rims) without suspension upgrades. At most, consider Mike's suggestion of 175/195 on 15s, which is the stock setup on the 450 pulse in europe
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:15 PM) I'll have to put spacers on the rear, but for this price, it sounds good...
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:14 PM) http://www.tirerack....M727GS&i2_Qty=2
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:14 PM) this is the wheel that I've found:
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:13 PM) I'm in Vancouver, and I already find the ride kinda harsh.
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:13 PM) where are you located?
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:13 PM) those seem like good rims, I've seen them in person before but not driven on them. I like the look
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:12 PM) for what it's worth, I'm on 40-series rubber on 16s in Quebec, home to the worst roads in North America. Do I plan my routes to get the smoothest pavement? You bet. But they are usable on our roads.
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:12 PM) I found a set of wheels at tirerack.com, the Allutec Grip3, 15", 5J and 6J, for $94 each
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:09 PM) for forged rims from North America, your choices are limited for most cars, and nonexistent for the smart
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:08 PM) As long as the offset is close to stock, aftermarket rims are fine. Remember,in Europe there are perhaps four OEMs that make all the alloys for all markets, regardless of brand.
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 10:58 PM) oh, ok, Mike. wide® 15" it is. anything against aftermarket ones?
@  Mike T : (05 July 2015 - 09:14 PM) 16s will give better roadholding but a worse ride. Wider 15s will probably not affect ride at all because there is the same height of rubber between the rim and road as the stylelines, but the roadholding will improve a lot; however going to 16s of the proper size will lose a half inch of rubber, giving a worse ride....and a much higher potential for rim damage.
@  Mike T : (05 July 2015 - 09:11 PM) You can use 16s, it's just that they will be damage prone and you will need to use the recommended sizes or the circumferences will differ too much between front and rear axles and the ESP will create a huge problem. Aside from that, there is not room in the 450 wheel wells for oversized tires on 16 inch rims...the rears if 205 mm in width should be 45 series not 50. Fronts should be 175/50-16.
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 08:54 PM) (what did I get into..)
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 08:54 PM) is it THAT compllicated to get 16" wheels on a 450?
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 08:45 PM) 185/50 and 205/50 r16"
@  Mike T : (05 July 2015 - 07:45 PM) You can't use 185/50 and 205/50, the ESP will freak out and the car will be undriveable. I find that 175/55-15 front and 195/50-15 rear to be the best compromise between ride and handling.
@  marchanna : (05 July 2015 - 06:31 PM) LED headlights installed
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 05:59 PM) right now I have the Stylines with 145/55 front and 175/50 rear. I find the car skitterish on the highway and the ride is kinda harsh. I was considering 16"s with 185/50 front and 205/50 back, on the Trilines. possible? Would that improve both the comfort and stability?
@  Mike T : (05 July 2015 - 04:46 PM) If you are concerned about rim damage due to rough roads, don't even consider 16s.
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 04:18 PM) I think the Monoblock VI is soft, not sure if other OE smart/BRABUS rims are. Afaik the smart and BRABUS rims are all OEMd by Ronal or ATS.
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:41 AM) and what about the trilines?
@  dmoonen : (05 July 2015 - 06:48 AM) I had 17" on the rears. bra is rims are soft as butter. Had to get mine straighten out twice in a three year span
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 02:26 AM) wider 15" then?
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 02:25 AM) So, no 16" wheels on a 450?
@  Mike T : (04 July 2015 - 10:35 PM) ...to avoid bent rims
@  Mike T : (04 July 2015 - 10:11 PM) 15" BRABUS wheels are fine. The 16s need more tire than the 450 can handle.
@  Surturiel : (04 July 2015 - 08:53 PM) on a 450
@  Surturiel : (04 July 2015 - 08:52 PM) smartmadness has 3x112 to 5x112 adapters, but they are 19mm thick. and I read that this is not enough for the rear wheels using OEM mercedes wheels

Wheel Stud And Bolt Circle Diameters


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#1 Guest_oldbike_*

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Posted 26 January 2008 - 08:25 AM

Could anyone tell me what the wheel stud diameter and the bolt circle diameter is for a 2008 451? Thank you in advance

#2 MightyMouseTech

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Posted 26 January 2008 - 09:37 AM

It's a weird one..3 X 112mm
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Posted 26 January 2008 - 01:46 PM

Now I am confused. Another forum provided me with 3 X 112.5mm. Can someone verify which is correct? Thank you.Paul

#4 evan

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Posted 27 February 2008 - 06:14 PM

Tirerack.com says 3x112 works. Does anyone have a list of the companies that make aftermarket wheels in that size?

Edited by evan, 27 February 2008 - 06:20 PM.


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Posted 27 February 2008 - 07:10 PM

While we're on the subject... are the wheel nuts 15 mm on the 451? I don't have any metric sockets; hence the question.


#6 Shydog

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 07:59 AM

Yeah they are 15mm. I had to go out and buy a 1/2" Drive 15mm socket only to remove the wheels. It is best to change the lugnuts to a 17mm head size.

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 04:03 PM

15 mm socket costs the same as a 17mm so don't understand the point of spending the $ to replace the lug bolts. Cheers,Cameron
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Posted 17 March 2008 - 05:19 PM

Greater chance of scratching the wheels in the bolt holes with a wider socket too! No comprendio!

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