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smartzuuk
post May 28 2005 - 12:15 PM
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This thread is for general discussion about the fuel mileage results real-world owners are getting with their fortwo cdi (diesel) engines.

According to the 2005 fuel consumption guide, the cdi should be able to get 3.8L/100km hwy, and 4.6L/100km city. This is apparently in 'softouch mode', whereas in 'softip', it should be 3.7L/100km hwy.

I'll start off by recapping my fuel economy for May 2005:

4057 kms
148.2 litres
3.65L/100km overall
77.3 mpg (Canadian)
64.4 mpg (US)

Hopefully Fred will kick off a fuel derby for June 1. We know there are some better results available!

My best result thus far was 3.44L/100km, or 82 mpg! My aim is to average out at 3.5 eventually, or at least for 8 months out of the year.

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post May 28 2005 - 12:17 PM
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My overall mileage to date for 16400 kms is 3.98L/100km, or 71 mpg.
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post May 28 2005 - 12:20 PM
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My overall mileage for 15,800km is 4.39L/100km.

So far this month, it is at 3.99L/100km, and last month was 4.01L/100km.

I'm happy with anything around 4, I don't think it could get much better with the daily drive that I have.


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post May 29 2005 - 04:31 PM
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Interestingly, the smarts being delivered these days have the official ratings of 4.6 city and 3.7 highway, whether or not they have softouch. The 2005 Energy Guide from Transport Canada shows the highway rating at 3.8 highway...

Overall, since getting my car on January 8th, I have averaged 4.00 L/100 km (70.6 MPG imerial).

May 2005: 3.62 L/100 km (78.0 MPG imperial).


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post May 29 2005 - 06:58 PM
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With the snow and summer conditions (wheel changes included), and driving mostly in the city, my overall average is a little below 5 litres/100 kms.


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post May 30 2005 - 08:00 PM
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My Smart will be here in a matter of weeks, but we have a 1998 Saturn wagon. We just drove from Moose Jaw to Lethbridge with the cruise control set at 105 the entire way. We had three adults in the car with gear, and we stopped twice. The odometer said we travelled 540.6 kilometres and we used a total of 29.7 litres of regular ol' unleaded gas. This works out to 5.3 l/100 kms. Not bad for a six-year old station wagon! By the way, there was a headwind most of the way as well.

I am looking forward to driving the Smart the same route and seeing what will happen. A friend in Regina said that their friend has a diesel Jetta and she drove from Regina to Vancouver without stopping for fuel. Amazing, huh?

One of the "must-haves" on our Smart is going to be cruise control.
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post May 30 2005 - 08:09 PM
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Actually it's 5.5 L/100 km, but still excellent!

I wonder if the smart would have been all that much better, given those conditions.


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post May 30 2005 - 08:17 PM
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One of the "must-haves" on our Smart is going to be cruise control.


I totally agree with you on cruise, but it wasn't enough to make me not order one, and I see that it didn't stop you as well.

Welcome to the site.


You do not have in your profile where you live, but from your post I take it that you live in Lethbridge. Any chance you could update your profile so as to show where you live.


Again, Welcome.

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post Jun 3 2005 - 01:51 PM
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Sorry but some of you knew it was coming......

My overall mileage to date for 8,611 kms is 3.70L/100km, or 76.37 mpg.

Best tank to date was 3.26 L/100 or 86.58 mpg.

Best single tank distance 632 kms.


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QUOTE (mixed)
Sorry but some of you knew it was coming......

My overall mileage to date for 8,611 kms is 3.70L/100km, or 76.37 mpg.

Best tank to date was 3.26 L/100 or 86.58 mpg.

Best single tank distance 632 kms.


I'll be quite happy if I can do that.


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post Jun 3 2005 - 02:26 PM
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QUOTE (mixed)
Sorry but some of you knew it was coming......


No, no... we knew YOU were coming... there's no 'it' here...


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post Jun 3 2005 - 05:31 PM
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3.43 L/100 km (>82 MPG); mixed driving (I don't mean the economy champ, "mixed") but mixed urban/suburban - a record for me ballons.gif


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post Jun 5 2005 - 11:07 AM
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Filled up today achieving back to back 600k+ tanks...... please don't hate me ....... watchout.gif


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post Jun 5 2005 - 05:47 PM
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Not great; 3.77 L/100 km, but it included intense city driving both during and after the event in Victoria today. The traffic downtown afterwards was brutal! So, I am not diasppointed with 3.77 in these circumstances.

mixed is the undisputed economy king!


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post Jun 6 2005 - 02:24 PM
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It has been said on another site that diesels love the heat ..... this being my first diesel I can't speak to that .... I do know it was F'n hot here today. I had the first blob hold on till 210.4 kms before disappearing today, destroying my previous best mark of 194.2 km. dieseldave has reported a 2.86 l/100 km result on the weekend .... based on this information is a 700 km+ tank really now NOT outside the realm of possibility. I had previously gone 632 kms with a litre still showing in the tank, based on this new reading I may be able to get close

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post Jun 6 2005 - 04:57 PM
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QUOTE (pulsating)
but we have a 1998 Saturn wagon


1998, must be an SW, as I don't think the L-series was out yet. Those 1.9L engines were great. I had a '96 SL1, and a '01 SC1. We now have a 2.2L VUE. Never did look at the ION, as it lost the economy appeal of the S-Series.

The mom-in-law has a '92 SL2 that looks pretty-much brand new w/ 160,000km on her.


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I'm not sure what it is. SW sounds right - W is for wagon, right?

Not much besides the fuel economy is great about the car - it is rough (the transmission lurches every time it shifts from neutral to park), the electrical system is shoddy (only one out of four electric windows still opens and closes), the fit & finish is really poor (two seatbelts no longer work), and the resale value is next to nothing (good thing it is long since paid-for). In short, it is pretty much a modern GM vehicle. The transmission imploded at 125,000 kilometres, and it is starting to use a little antifreeze now. We have about 165,000 kilometres on the odometer.

I am interested in seeing how well the Smart holds up. I hope that it lasts much better than the Saturn over 5-10 years. I have heard so many bad things about Mercedes quality, though - to be perfectly honest, I am more than a little scared. And I think the dealerships are going to be merciless a few years down the road, after the 3 year/80,000 kilometre limit has been breached.
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post Jun 7 2005 - 11:50 AM
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Hey! My first blob went out at 128km! Only 100km short of Sir mixed. Bloody....


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post Jun 7 2005 - 02:37 PM
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Results from today's driving.............

Blob 2 ~ 295.4 kms

Blob 3 ~ 410.6 kms

Steve you had better seriously think about spending some time in your car tomorrow or tonight if you want to be first to 700 k on a tank ...

I have to and from work tomorrow again , another 220 k approx with a stop in Burlington for cruise night at the Mapleview, which means (knock on wood) if everything continues as it is I might be able to chance it Thursday morning


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post Jun 7 2005 - 03:49 PM
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Blob 2 ~ 205 km wink.gif


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post Jun 7 2005 - 05:52 PM
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Like the Hamburglar, I've not had a mega-blobular performance yet. The best I've done on Blob 1 is 160 km. That was the tank I averaged 3.43 L/100 on. Today it went out at ~153 km.


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post Jun 7 2005 - 06:18 PM
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Seems I am the only one bucking the trend on the spritmonitor image in the signature, choosing to go with a different style.... THAT IS NOT ALLOWED! YOU MUST CONFORM!


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post Jun 7 2005 - 09:38 PM
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QUOTE (enthusiast42)
Seems I am the only one bucking the trend on the spritmonitor image in the signature, choosing to go with a different style.... THAT IS NOT ALLOWED! YOU MUST CONFORM!


Heyyyy, I got #5. It should be showing more pumps as my history grows longer.


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post Jun 7 2005 - 09:47 PM
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Ahhh.....


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post Jun 8 2005 - 07:53 AM
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210 km on the first blob? Amazing!

Mine's been crapping out at around the 120 km mark.

Damned lead foot of mine!
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post Jun 8 2005 - 07:15 PM
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I was driving home from from the Cruise night at the Mapleview mall tonight where we had five show up tonight (pictures in the morning)..... and I realized that it was such a beautiful night why go straight home .... and I knew I couldn't wait till tomorrow to try for 700k. So about half way home I doubled back as much as I thought I would need to get to the Diesel pump closest to the house and then turned around and headed for home ...... I hit the station with just 0.5l showing on the gauge, the car sucked in 22.11 litres to its usual fill point and had traveled ..................... 710 kms .... as you can see below this dropped me down on spritmonitor to 3.6l / 100 k...

I look forward to tomorrow and a fresh new tank...... bustamove.gif


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post Jun 8 2005 - 07:21 PM
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3.11

Wow... amazing


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post Jun 8 2005 - 07:24 PM
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I could use some 3.1 action myself.

Though I hasten to add that 3.5 - for the conditions I drive in - is already remarkable.


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post Jun 8 2005 - 07:36 PM
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3.5 is awesome Mike.

I'm awaiting fasteddy to get info on an OEM cruise retrofit from Europe.

Once I ave cruise, I think I can level it out. It's become quite a bit of work to drive 85 on Hwy 1.


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post Jun 9 2005 - 05:48 AM
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Craig is a great guy, but it's getting harder and harder to like him.

Congrats. I remember when I was king with my 574km tank.


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My last few tanks haven't been overly great, but my latest tank should come in close to 3.5 or so on nearly 600 kms. This despite rush hour traffic in Seattle AND a passenger.

I can credit the mileage gains solely to driving 85 kmh or less in 6th. I let up on the last few tanks on trying to NOT go over 85... and well, paid the price...

So, fasteddy is working on the cruise... or as a last resort, I may opt to put in the MDC cruise. (I'm opting to not get MDC right away simply for the fact it's a separate module... I'm sure it's working good for the folks who have it...)


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What's going on mixed???

You want us to work to find out about your latest tank?

I went to the spritmonitor site - 710km on one tank! cheer2.gif
22.11 litres?

Congratulations ballons.gif

Edit: For the link until he replies here http://www.spritmonitor.de/detail.php?vid=114701
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You can see my latest spritmonitor result below -- my worst recording to date. The main difference in the last week was the trip into Toronto for the rally and the use of the a/c -- which I'm assuming is what made the difference?

And I've whinged elsewhere about the jump in the cost of diesel. I'd been feeling smug about that until tonight. cry3.gif Diesel more expensive than gas!!

Sigh.


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QUOTE (kay)
You can see my latest spritmonitor result below -- my worst recording to date. The main difference in the last week was the trip into Toronto for the rally and the use of the a/c -- which I'm assuming is what made the difference?

And I've whinged elsewhere about the jump in the cost of diesel. I'd been feeling smug about that until tonight. cry3.gif Diesel more expensive than gas!!

Sigh.


How many kilometers do you have on your car in total ?? 1 result posted is not much to get upset about, you have plenty of time to drop it down.

You can always read this if you need some advice on bettering your consumption.......

http://www.clubsmartcar.com/index.php?showtopic=135


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QUOTE (Caspar_s)
What's going on mixed???

You want us to work to find out about your latest tank?

I went to the spritmonitor site - 710km on one tank! cheer2.gif
22.11 litres?

Congratulations ballons.gif

Edit: For the link until he replies here http://www.spritmonitor.de/detail.php?vid=114701


Last four tanks have all exceeded 600 kms, probably be five in a row by Thursday morning......... clapping.gif


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Darn, I was hoping that highspeed run you made around the park path on Sunday would've killed your fuel.

Had my worst tank in about 2 months, 4.19L/100km. Some spirited driving and plenty of A/C probably didn't help much. Still nothing to complain about.


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I finally figured out how to use spiritmonitor (my results are skewed now b/c I didn't include my horrible mileage in the beginning smile.gif), but I have one question whats the difference b/w autobahn and landstraBen or something? the 3 icons?


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I finally figured out how to use spiritmonitor (my results are skewed now b/c I didn't include my horrible mileage in the beginning smile.gif), but I have one question whats the difference b/w autobahn and landstraBen or something? the 3 icons?


It's probably open to interpretation but I assume autobahn to be on the equivalent of 400 series hwy's anything posting 100 km/hr.... landstraBen would be any roads etc posting 80 kms/hr or thereabouts ..... like I said open to interpretation ......

I would be curious to hear other's thoughts on the matter.... BlahBlah.gif


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Darn, I was hoping that highspeed run you made around the park path on Sunday would've killed your fuel.


Yah my wife wasn't too happy about it either !! diablo.gif


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How many kilometers do you have on your car in total ?? 1 result posted is not much to get upset about, you have plenty of time to drop it down.

You can always read this if you need some advice on bettering your consumption.......

http://www.clubsmartcar.com/index.php?showtopic=135



For the most part I've been trying to follow Mike's Most Excellent Tips -- but now that I've reread them, I realize that the change this time was probably inevitable. It's been super hot, so I've had the windows open, or the a/c on when on the highway. And my other half has driven the car a lot in the last week, and I think his driving style is slightly more agressive than mine (not a huge lot, but it all adds up, right?).

As for total kms: 2149, so maybe there's still a bit of breaking in to do? She asks hopefully?

I'm not upset by the result, more like I was surprised by it. Then I was surprised by the hike in the price of diesel. Just an evening of surprises.


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Your car isn't even broken in yet, you have plenty of time for inprovement in your fuel economy........ check my spritmonitor page, it has slowly progressed downward....

I do not have air in my car but drive with the window down on humid days and haven't really noticed any degradation in my consumption because of it........... I have found that my car does run longer on the hot humid days could be coincidence..... BlahBlah.gif

As for your location "Ontario" could you be a bit more vague.....

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post Jun 15 2005 - 06:20 AM
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As for your location "Ontario" could you be a bit more vague.....

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Yes, I could.


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post Jun 15 2005 - 07:44 AM
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As for your location "Ontario" could you be a bit more vague.....

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Yes, I could.


that hurts..... cry3.gif


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post Jun 15 2005 - 07:58 AM
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Yes, I could.


that hurts..... cry3.gif


Got a way with the ladies there Craig.

I followed your pathway route when I left SteamWhistle as well... although my wife giggled.


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Mike T
post Jun 16 2005 - 07:51 PM
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I got another decent result today, despite being what I would consider to be a little careless during this tank - fast acceleration, straying over 90 sometimes, quite a few short trips. Actually it was my personal best: 3.42 L/100 km....

So I wish I had done this fill yesterday and therefore I would qualified that last tank for the derby....I might have been second this time! Ahh well.

But I did finally get my cumulative L/100 since the day the car was bought down under 4.0, which was nice!


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post Jun 19 2005 - 12:34 AM
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The 110 km/h (with Jennifer capably) driving to Seattle and the city driving while there and in Vancouver resulted in a lousy 4.05 L/100 km, so my cumulative average is going to go back up to 4.0!

Ah well, it was a great event, worth it for sure.


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post Jun 19 2005 - 07:37 AM
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I am wondering if it would not be better to have the same program (instead of spiritmonitor) written and calculate all the mileage results on the club website?

I am not capable of writting it myself, but I'm sure that someone on this forum could probably do a fine job of it. If not I think I may know of someone that could possibly do it GUI and all.

There must be a reason that you all use spirit monitor, but why could we not have the same thing for only smarts on the club website?

....Feedback?


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Mike T
post Jun 19 2005 - 09:53 AM
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It's more fun to compare ourselves with all those European fortwo cdi owners, IMO. Plus setting another one up in English would be quite the major job.


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post Jun 19 2005 - 11:21 AM
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I just had my second best tank so far, 3.86L/100km (552km on 21.296L).

Finally dropped my Spritmonitor ranking down to 4.3 (it's actually 4.34). That's the average for all the diesels on that site.


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post Jun 19 2005 - 04:03 PM
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It's more fun to compare ourselves with all those European fortwo cdi owners, IMO. Plus setting another one up in English would be quite the major job.


actually it's kind of fun to compare your car to ALL the vehicles just to realize what kind of fuel consumption we are getting ..... and for euro's per 100 km's they cant touch us on this side of the pond......


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