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@  turbomar : (22 November 2014 - 06:33 PM) Thanks for the tip lads! Going to Princess tomorrow
@  marchanna : (22 November 2014 - 05:57 PM) Princess Auto is the best! I live less than a Km from there.
@  Bessy : (22 November 2014 - 05:53 PM) Turbomar, Princess Auto has the socket for about $3. I've done 20 or so pairs of reluctors and haven't broken a socket yet.
@  dmoonen : (22 November 2014 - 09:48 AM) Yes it is Turbomar.
@  turbomar : (22 November 2014 - 07:38 AM) Is the socket size for the drive axle bolt to hub on the 450, 12 point 21mm?
@  dmoonen : (21 November 2014 - 03:41 PM) I think glow plug gets triggered by the coolant sensor
@  FlossyTheSmart : (21 November 2014 - 12:11 PM) I couldn't tell you for sure.
@  kdubya : (21 November 2014 - 11:39 AM) i played around a bunch, entered everything i could. i didn't see it anywhere. Is it something we know the Star can do?
@  FlossyTheSmart : (21 November 2014 - 09:52 AM) There are a whole lot of read outs in there, so you may have to dig around a bit, but that's where I would think they'd be.
@  kdubya : (21 November 2014 - 09:45 AM) k ill check. i want to make sure they are working. just a read out of temp
@  FlossyTheSmart : (21 November 2014 - 09:21 AM) probably under the "Engine" section
@  FlossyTheSmart : (21 November 2014 - 09:20 AM) Read out is likely under Systems>N3/9 (EDG control unit) > Actual Value Indicator, somewhere.
@  FlossyTheSmart : (21 November 2014 - 09:18 AM) As in, configurable, or just a read out?
@  kdubya : (21 November 2014 - 08:58 AM) Anyone know where to find cylinder temp (glow plug function) on the Star??
@  FlossyTheSmart : (19 November 2014 - 11:38 AM) classic
@  Mike T : (19 November 2014 - 11:38 AM) Hodor
@  evotell : (19 November 2014 - 11:35 AM) Saying your own name, I don't get it?
@  dmoonen : (19 November 2014 - 10:52 AM) Saying your own name evotell :P
@  evotell : (19 November 2014 - 10:49 AM) evotell
@  KurtMan : (18 November 2014 - 06:29 PM) Well, we repaired the wires and its driving fine now... I guess I'll have to wait for another slushy day to be sure. Thanks for all the help guys!
@  Mike T : (18 November 2014 - 05:24 PM) This happened to our dearly departed green car too and the solution was that simple.
@  SkydiverChris : (18 November 2014 - 03:32 PM) Glad to hear that you may have found the cause Kurt! Keep us posted! It's almost never that simple.
@  Francesco : (18 November 2014 - 12:00 PM) cost me close to $300 to tow from the Canadian border post at Hemingford to my driveway (80 km), and my car was up on blocks for two weeks while I tracked down and resolved the issues.
@  Francesco : (18 November 2014 - 11:58 AM) jurist? During
@  Francesco : (18 November 2014 - 11:58 AM) Yep, mine started acting up jurist a January thaw on a long steady drive through the country, then the car refused to move on a slushy day on a long steady drive on the same roads a week later. The slushy brine is both conductive and tenacious.
@  FlossyTheSmart : (18 November 2014 - 11:40 AM) That's probably it.
@  KurtMan : (18 November 2014 - 11:21 AM) So my friend with soldering skills is going to help me after work... I'm confident this will solve the problem. First slushy day we have so it must have splashed up there and shorted out.
@  Francesco : (18 November 2014 - 10:25 AM) knock on wood, no recurrence after two winters and three summers.
@  Francesco : (18 November 2014 - 10:25 AM) then wraped all in Tesa cloth harness tape ($20 a roll at MB, about the same off ebay)
@  Francesco : (18 November 2014 - 10:24 AM) Yeah, mine was the same. I repaired the wires and coated the whole thing in Liquid Electrical Tape ($9 at CT)
@  stickman007 : (18 November 2014 - 10:20 AM) There's probably corrosion inside the sheath due to moisture getting in
@  FlossyTheSmart : (18 November 2014 - 07:29 AM) with the wires chafed, they're probably only intermittantly making good contact. Wrapping in electrical tape probably won't be able to keep the connection good.
@  KurtMan : (18 November 2014 - 07:26 AM) What if I wrap the chafed wires in electrical tape and try driving around?
@  FlossyTheSmart : (18 November 2014 - 07:21 AM) hopefully it's as simple as that!
@  KurtMan : (18 November 2014 - 07:11 AM) I immediately found 2 chafed wires at the connection to the clutch actuator!
@  dmoonen : (18 November 2014 - 05:49 AM) Majority of the problems are in the engine harness area right at the IC scoop. Removing the IC would give you more wiggle room and less curse words
@  dmoonen : (18 November 2014 - 05:47 AM) SAM to rear ecu travels under the carpet and right into the firewall behind the seats.
@  dmoonen : (18 November 2014 - 05:46 AM) Harness to two sections: 1:Rear ECU TO engine sensors and components. 2: Sam:Rear ECU.
@  dmoonen : (18 November 2014 - 05:44 AM) No you dont need to kurt, mainly around the intercooler scoop area and back youll be
@  KurtMan : (18 November 2014 - 04:27 AM) Do I have to remove any of the under panels to get to the harness?
@  KurtMan : (17 November 2014 - 04:33 PM) Well maybe if I need a star machine I'll send you a message Max!
@  FlossyTheSmart : (17 November 2014 - 04:20 PM) I think just me, Chris, and Troy have star machines in the Ottawa area.
@  KurtMan : (17 November 2014 - 04:03 PM) Any help would be appreciated!
@  SkydiverChris : (17 November 2014 - 03:58 PM) NOt sure if anyone out your way has a Star, but there are a couple people around Ottawa that do. If you're stuck, they may be able to help
@  KurtMan : (17 November 2014 - 03:56 PM) Thanks I appreciate it!
@  SkydiverChris : (17 November 2014 - 03:55 PM) Sorry man, if you're still stuck on the weekend, I might be convinced to make a trip out that way (unless someone else gets there before I do), but there's a tonne of stuff to try, and the Star may or may not give you something to go on.
@  KurtMan : (17 November 2014 - 03:49 PM) Ya I feel ya... I guess I'll check the fork and harness tomorrow and go from there. Wish me luck!
@  SkydiverChris : (17 November 2014 - 03:46 PM) Ewww...that's one hell of a trip. haha
@  KurtMan : (17 November 2014 - 03:42 PM) Innes/Tenth line exactly
@  SkydiverChris : (17 November 2014 - 03:42 PM) If it was summer, I skydive in Gatineau and am out that way almost every weekend. Unfortunately, we don't jump in winter much.

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#1 promoz

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Posted 23 August 2008 - 05:47 PM

I just got a 2004 (yesterday) I parked it about 2 hours ago. I was going to drive it some more just now, and it won't go into gear. Instead of "R" it says "O" WHAT'S UP WITH THAT??? Please Help.Thanks!Joey (In Tulsa, Ok)

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Posted 23 August 2008 - 06:00 PM

I just got a 2004 (yesterday) I parked it about 2 hours ago. I was going to drive it some more just now, and it won't go into gear. Instead of "R" it says "O" WHAT'S UP WITH THAT??? Please Help

Hi Joey,

The O means the transmission is not properly in a gear. Switch off, then put your foot on the brake, switch to 1st position select N and start the car. With your foot on the brake, select 1 or R. Off you go!

Easy to forget at first that you must have foot on the brake.

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Posted 23 August 2008 - 06:14 PM

THANKS BILL!I AM NOW ROLLIN'! WELL... AFTER I SHUT MY MAC NOTEBOOK. I TRADED MY 1975 AUSTIN MINI DELIVERY WAGON FOR THIS 2004 SMART AND HOLY COW, I DONT' THINK THEIR COULD BE ANY MORE "COOL" STUFF THAT THESE CARS COULD HAVE.THANK YOU!JOEY

Edited by promoz, 23 August 2008 - 06:54 PM.


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Posted 23 August 2008 - 06:37 PM

Oh I can't tell you how often this one has tripped us up! The worst is when I slip into my old habit of putting her in neutral at stop lights, then forget to hit the brake before going back into gear. there's me panicky fiddling with the gears and brakes while the impatient troglodytes behind me start leaning on their horns. For the record, around here they honk you if you're less than a second late going at the light.
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 07:03 PM

WELL... I'VE ONLY HAD MY SMART FOR 1 DAY AND ALREADY PULLED OVER BY THE POLICE. THE FUNNY THING IS... I WAS PARKED. HE HAD TO CHECK IT OUT FOR HIS WIFE.

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Posted 23 August 2008 - 07:41 PM

Haha! get used to it, Tulsa. And welcome to the wonderful world of smart!B :sun:
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 08:44 PM

I was born in OK! Interestingly enough, now I live in the Okanagan, often abreviated OK (never thought about that till just now).A 2004... neat. Curious what kind of a price point those are going for in the states now that the 2008's are available. At one point, the '03 to '06 imports were going for $30 to $40k. - Steven
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Posted 24 August 2008 - 08:50 AM

Yolanda - When you are stopped or moving slowly in Neutral, you don't need to put the brake on to engage First gear . . . . just tap the shifter to "+". That way you don't annoy the car following by coming to a stop again and saves looking like a novice driver.

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Posted 24 August 2008 - 10:28 AM

Yolanda - When you are stopped or moving slowly in Neutral, you don't need to put the brake on to engage First gear . . . . just tap the shifter to "+". That way you don't annoy the car following by coming to a stop again and saves looking like a novice driver.

It's a 2006 so neutral is actually a slide sideways and to get it in gear again you have to slide it to the left. I have this habit (quickly vanishing) of putting my automatic into neutral, because my last couple of beaters had trouble idling in gear. They'd run rough and sometimes even stall, and the creep meant sitting on the brake. So I learned to put the car into neutral (a slide to the right in the case of my rabbit) then into gear, and on those cars you didn't need to hold the brake when going into gear. In the smart 450, however, the car puts itself into neutral when sitting on a light, and until you apply the accelerator pedal, stays in gear, but clutch let out (neutral) without needing to brake on a level surface. However, if you do move the lever to the neutral position (to the right) you will have to put your foot on the brake before moving it into reverse (back one) or gear (to the left). then it's a tap forward or backward to move through the sequential gears. As I understand it, the 451's gear system is distinctly different, more more similar to conventional north american automatic gear shifts.
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Posted 24 August 2008 - 12:17 PM

To clarify: the 450 does not go into neutral unless you shift it into neutral. At a light it stays in gear with the clutch disengaged.

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Posted 24 August 2008 - 01:58 PM

To clarify - My interpretation was that the driver had manually put the car into "N" at the stop light i.e. moved the shifter to the right. When the light changed to green she then put the shifter to the left without having the foot brake on, assuming the transmission would be in "1st". Then the "panicky fiddling" (her terms, not mine) with the transmission shifter and the brake pedal began. At that point a simple tapping of the shifter to "+" would engage the transmission without any "panicky fiddling". No brake pedal required. Mike is correct that when the car downshifts to 1st at a stop, the transmission is in gear and the clutch is engaged and running on the throw out bearing rather than being in actual neutral. Same as holding the clutch pedal down in a conventional clutch set-up.

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Posted 24 August 2008 - 07:59 PM

Right, I think that covers all the bases!

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 05:08 AM

Well, just to throw my 2¢ into this: I've never had a clutch fail on any of my manual cars, and my habit was to sit at lights in first with my foot on the clutch. We're talking cars with over 100,000 Kms on them (one had 320,000). That said, I don't understand the need to pop the fortwo into N at a light, unless you are in a 451 and detest the "creep," or know how long a light is and wish to turn off the engine. Even so, I'm with Fred J on this: if you're at a light in Neutral, just move the lever back to the right. Your foot was on the brake anyway, wasn't it? The only reason it would be "jiggly-fiddly" would be if you're doing things you shouldn't be doing.
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Posted 28 August 2008 - 06:57 PM

I was born in OK! Interestingly enough, now I live in the Okanagan, often abreviated OK (never thought about that till just now). A 2004... neat. Curious what kind of a price point those are going for in the states now that the 2008's are available. At one point, the '03 to '06 imports were going for $30 to $40k. - Steven

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Posted 05 September 2008 - 09:38 PM

Promoz - sounds like you didn't get an owner's manual - here is one for the european gas model - much the same - hope it helps - Fortwo owners manual Save it to a file - so I don't get clobbered for bandwidth usage if you access it a couple hundred times. Cheers, Cameron
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Posted 05 September 2008 - 09:56 PM

Promoz - sounds like you didn't get an owner's manual - here is one for the european gas model - much the same - hope it helps - Fortwo owners manual Save it to a file - so I don't get clobbered for bandwidth usage if you access it a couple hundred times. Cheers, Cameron

No. I have one. I only had my smart for less than a day when I posted this. I was like a little kid at Christmas with a new toy, and I wasn't using my brain. I also own a VW Jetta and you have to do the same for it. I just don't drive it to often. I like drive my 70's muscle(s)... and my smart, OF COURSE! But Thanks for the link. I know the guy I got this one from has another "Euro", so I will send this info to him. (just in case). Thanks! JOEY - TULSA, OK.




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