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@  smart65 : (21 May 2015 - 11:57 AM) Thanks
@  FlossyTheSmart : (21 May 2015 - 06:48 AM) You can now also click on the number of comments and it will take you to the shop page with the comments on it
@  FlossyTheSmart : (21 May 2015 - 06:36 AM) If you click on the shop name, it will take you to a page just for that shop, with the full details. I'll make the comment count a link to the page as well.
@  smart65 : (21 May 2015 - 06:28 AM) How can comments be accessed in Service Options?
@  Mike T : (20 May 2015 - 11:39 AM) PM sent of manual excerpt
@  Mike T : (20 May 2015 - 11:37 AM) It's in the owners manual all right
@  Huronlad : (20 May 2015 - 08:47 AM) There are numerous threads about the "three bars of death", make use of the forum search feature and do some reading.
@  1EGRBVR : (20 May 2015 - 06:39 AM) Thanks. I see nothing in the owners manual.
@  Mike T : (20 May 2015 - 06:31 AM) *Check
@  Mike T : (20 May 2015 - 06:31 AM) Gheck your owners manual, it is a gearbox fault.
@  1EGRBVR : (20 May 2015 - 06:07 AM) On the instrument cluster where the LED shows the gear you are in or A for Automatic, I am showing 3 vertical lines instead going across.  Has anyone else encountered this?   This happened after I changed the rear signal light.
@  Mike T : (19 May 2015 - 08:13 PM) Le Club 404 and some private sector guys in Europe are picking up on this big-time.
@  marchanna : (19 May 2015 - 04:38 PM) That makes good sense. Do you hope to get service parts made or custom built?
@  Mike T : (19 May 2015 - 03:07 PM) Strength in numbers....parts reproductions are more likely if we know there are 2000 or more coupes and cabriolets left...plus I have wanted to know this (how many are left) since 1977 when I first wanted to buy one.
@  marchanna : (19 May 2015 - 08:27 AM) Good stuff! Just out of curiosity, is there a practical purpose for the registry or is it just for fun?
@  Mike T : (18 May 2015 - 07:57 PM) Got some new 404s for the Registry, boo yeah!
@  marchanna : (18 May 2015 - 04:04 PM) Sup?
@  marchanna : (15 May 2015 - 04:06 AM) Haha. I just watched that skit last night.
@  FlossyTheSmart : (14 May 2015 - 05:59 AM) It's merely pining for the fjords right now
@  jwight : (14 May 2015 - 01:01 AM) That's too bad - hate to see the Mystery Run die out.
@  FlossyTheSmart : (13 May 2015 - 09:48 AM) I hadn't planned on organizing it this year. Noah had been planning on doing something I think, but he's no longer involved
@  marchanna : (12 May 2015 - 12:50 PM) Nope. It's a mystery.
@  stickman007 : (12 May 2015 - 09:41 AM) Any news on Mystery Run this year?
@  marchanna : (11 May 2015 - 02:07 PM) Nope. I had to tell the dealer I was having problems with it.
@  Francesco : (11 May 2015 - 06:03 AM) With a Star machine? Really? I find even just plugging/unplugging my ScanGauge stores CAN faults that the Star picks up.
@  marchanna : (11 May 2015 - 05:52 AM) On my ML320 I had a bad sensor and it didn't store any codes.
@  Francesco : (10 May 2015 - 03:00 PM) i will investigate the lateral G sensor showing positive lateral acceleration while the car is at rest.
@  Francesco : (10 May 2015 - 02:59 PM) Lights are working, alignment is correct. I'm still cycling through a variety of tire pressure combinations but the effect should still not be this aggressive considering it was flawless on bald rear tires last year. Faulty speed sensor should store a code, none stored.
@  marchanna : (10 May 2015 - 01:50 PM) Check for never tire wear with a depth gage, and tire pressure. Also if you have a bad speed sensor, it can cause an error intermittently. A slight misalignment in the front end can cause this too - i.e. improper toe-in. Other things that can affect it is a short or a ground fault in the brake and turn signal lights.
@  Francesco : (10 May 2015 - 01:18 PM) Wheel speeds are reporting fine, the problem is around bends with specific lateral forces. On one ramp the ESP reacts aggressively on initial turn in, then after the apex I'm able to power out with full pedal.
@  Francesco : (10 May 2015 - 01:16 PM) New last June, and painted with POR-15.
@  David_18 : (10 May 2015 - 11:46 AM) How are your ABS Ring ?
@  Francesco : (10 May 2015 - 07:44 AM) And the same tires last summer with zero problems, only difference this year is new ones in the rear
@  Francesco : (10 May 2015 - 07:43 AM) Yes
@  David_18 : (10 May 2015 - 07:43 AM) have*
@  David_18 : (10 May 2015 - 07:42 AM) You 4 tire with the same size ?
@  Francesco : (10 May 2015 - 07:38 AM) Yokohama S.drive 195/40-16
@  David_18 : (10 May 2015 - 07:13 AM) Brand/model ?
@  David_18 : (10 May 2015 - 07:08 AM) What tire you have ?
@  cadillacman : (10 May 2015 - 04:16 AM) try measuring the 'actual' circumference of all 4 tires, to see how much variance there is
@  Francesco : (09 May 2015 - 10:50 PM) Well I'm scratching my head. Think it might be the G sensor?
@  marchanna : (09 May 2015 - 06:44 PM) like in a PLC
@  marchanna : (09 May 2015 - 06:43 PM) I would say neither. It should have a fixed ladder logic.
@  Francesco : (09 May 2015 - 08:18 AM) Is the ESP system self-teaching or self-adapting?

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#1 promoz

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Posted 23 August 2008 - 05:47 PM

I just got a 2004 (yesterday) I parked it about 2 hours ago. I was going to drive it some more just now, and it won't go into gear. Instead of "R" it says "O" WHAT'S UP WITH THAT??? Please Help.Thanks!Joey (In Tulsa, Ok)

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Posted 23 August 2008 - 06:00 PM

I just got a 2004 (yesterday) I parked it about 2 hours ago. I was going to drive it some more just now, and it won't go into gear. Instead of "R" it says "O" WHAT'S UP WITH THAT??? Please Help

Hi Joey,

The O means the transmission is not properly in a gear. Switch off, then put your foot on the brake, switch to 1st position select N and start the car. With your foot on the brake, select 1 or R. Off you go!

Easy to forget at first that you must have foot on the brake.

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Posted 23 August 2008 - 06:14 PM

THANKS BILL!I AM NOW ROLLIN'! WELL... AFTER I SHUT MY MAC NOTEBOOK. I TRADED MY 1975 AUSTIN MINI DELIVERY WAGON FOR THIS 2004 SMART AND HOLY COW, I DONT' THINK THEIR COULD BE ANY MORE "COOL" STUFF THAT THESE CARS COULD HAVE.THANK YOU!JOEY

Edited by promoz, 23 August 2008 - 06:54 PM.


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Posted 23 August 2008 - 06:37 PM

Oh I can't tell you how often this one has tripped us up! The worst is when I slip into my old habit of putting her in neutral at stop lights, then forget to hit the brake before going back into gear. there's me panicky fiddling with the gears and brakes while the impatient troglodytes behind me start leaning on their horns. For the record, around here they honk you if you're less than a second late going at the light.
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 07:03 PM

WELL... I'VE ONLY HAD MY SMART FOR 1 DAY AND ALREADY PULLED OVER BY THE POLICE. THE FUNNY THING IS... I WAS PARKED. HE HAD TO CHECK IT OUT FOR HIS WIFE.

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Posted 23 August 2008 - 07:41 PM

Haha! get used to it, Tulsa. And welcome to the wonderful world of smart!B :sun:
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 08:44 PM

I was born in OK! Interestingly enough, now I live in the Okanagan, often abreviated OK (never thought about that till just now).A 2004... neat. Curious what kind of a price point those are going for in the states now that the 2008's are available. At one point, the '03 to '06 imports were going for $30 to $40k. - Steven
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Posted 24 August 2008 - 08:50 AM

Yolanda - When you are stopped or moving slowly in Neutral, you don't need to put the brake on to engage First gear . . . . just tap the shifter to "+". That way you don't annoy the car following by coming to a stop again and saves looking like a novice driver.

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Posted 24 August 2008 - 10:28 AM

Yolanda - When you are stopped or moving slowly in Neutral, you don't need to put the brake on to engage First gear . . . . just tap the shifter to "+". That way you don't annoy the car following by coming to a stop again and saves looking like a novice driver.

It's a 2006 so neutral is actually a slide sideways and to get it in gear again you have to slide it to the left. I have this habit (quickly vanishing) of putting my automatic into neutral, because my last couple of beaters had trouble idling in gear. They'd run rough and sometimes even stall, and the creep meant sitting on the brake. So I learned to put the car into neutral (a slide to the right in the case of my rabbit) then into gear, and on those cars you didn't need to hold the brake when going into gear. In the smart 450, however, the car puts itself into neutral when sitting on a light, and until you apply the accelerator pedal, stays in gear, but clutch let out (neutral) without needing to brake on a level surface. However, if you do move the lever to the neutral position (to the right) you will have to put your foot on the brake before moving it into reverse (back one) or gear (to the left). then it's a tap forward or backward to move through the sequential gears. As I understand it, the 451's gear system is distinctly different, more more similar to conventional north american automatic gear shifts.
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Posted 24 August 2008 - 12:17 PM

To clarify: the 450 does not go into neutral unless you shift it into neutral. At a light it stays in gear with the clutch disengaged.

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Posted 24 August 2008 - 01:58 PM

To clarify - My interpretation was that the driver had manually put the car into "N" at the stop light i.e. moved the shifter to the right. When the light changed to green she then put the shifter to the left without having the foot brake on, assuming the transmission would be in "1st". Then the "panicky fiddling" (her terms, not mine) with the transmission shifter and the brake pedal began. At that point a simple tapping of the shifter to "+" would engage the transmission without any "panicky fiddling". No brake pedal required. Mike is correct that when the car downshifts to 1st at a stop, the transmission is in gear and the clutch is engaged and running on the throw out bearing rather than being in actual neutral. Same as holding the clutch pedal down in a conventional clutch set-up.

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Posted 24 August 2008 - 07:59 PM

Right, I think that covers all the bases!

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 05:08 AM

Well, just to throw my 2¢ into this: I've never had a clutch fail on any of my manual cars, and my habit was to sit at lights in first with my foot on the clutch. We're talking cars with over 100,000 Kms on them (one had 320,000). That said, I don't understand the need to pop the fortwo into N at a light, unless you are in a 451 and detest the "creep," or know how long a light is and wish to turn off the engine. Even so, I'm with Fred J on this: if you're at a light in Neutral, just move the lever back to the right. Your foot was on the brake anyway, wasn't it? The only reason it would be "jiggly-fiddly" would be if you're doing things you shouldn't be doing.

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 06:57 PM

I was born in OK! Interestingly enough, now I live in the Okanagan, often abreviated OK (never thought about that till just now). A 2004... neat. Curious what kind of a price point those are going for in the states now that the 2008's are available. At one point, the '03 to '06 imports were going for $30 to $40k. - Steven

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Posted 05 September 2008 - 09:38 PM

Promoz - sounds like you didn't get an owner's manual - here is one for the european gas model - much the same - hope it helps - Fortwo owners manual Save it to a file - so I don't get clobbered for bandwidth usage if you access it a couple hundred times. Cheers, Cameron
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Posted 05 September 2008 - 09:56 PM

Promoz - sounds like you didn't get an owner's manual - here is one for the european gas model - much the same - hope it helps - Fortwo owners manual Save it to a file - so I don't get clobbered for bandwidth usage if you access it a couple hundred times. Cheers, Cameron

No. I have one. I only had my smart for less than a day when I posted this. I was like a little kid at Christmas with a new toy, and I wasn't using my brain. I also own a VW Jetta and you have to do the same for it. I just don't drive it to often. I like drive my 70's muscle(s)... and my smart, OF COURSE! But Thanks for the link. I know the guy I got this one from has another "Euro", so I will send this info to him. (just in case). Thanks! JOEY - TULSA, OK.




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