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@  dmoonen : (24 August 2016 - 10:58 AM) Oh yeah 94 octane fuel :/
@  dmoonen : (24 August 2016 - 10:50 AM) Im getting like 17-18mpg right now with the R32. My whole fuel mileage thing just runs off pure smiles per mile now.
@  Mike T : (24 August 2016 - 05:59 AM) Not bad. I would point out that the best I've achieved in the old-tech B 200 is a bit better than that! The Mazda has direct injection. So watch for valve gunk buildup.
@  smartzuum : (23 August 2016 - 11:53 PM) Best tank so far is 5.85 L/100 km in the CX-5.... and seem to be averaging around 6.1 overall..... incredible.... just got back from 2500 km road trip - through the rockies!
@  smart65 : (19 August 2016 - 06:55 AM) Ours has auto though.
@  smart65 : (19 August 2016 - 06:54 AM) Good choice. We've had a similar model since July 2012. No regrets!
@  smartzuum : (18 August 2016 - 09:09 PM) no led lights or navigation screens.... oops....
@  smartzuum : (18 August 2016 - 09:08 PM) 2.0 litre, 155 hp, and thank goodness, no LED lights of van screens on the base model... cruise, stereo, info display, AC.... all I need! It's a wonder you can get something like this still.
@  smartzuum : (18 August 2016 - 09:06 PM) 65 cubic feet cargo room behind the front row with second row flat, a must for me now.....
@  smartzuum : (18 August 2016 - 09:05 PM) Gone is the Volvo V50 T5 FWD automatic.... I got $4500 trade, which with the tax savings got me $5040 of my $5500 total out of pocket on purchase and tax and repairs... not bad for a years driving.... the mazda has a 5 year UNLIMITED kms warranty on the powertrain.... and 3 years unlimited kms bumper to bumper.... unreal. Looks like it can do 6.0 on the highway, just anecdotally from the trip meter in the vehicle, but we'll see soon enough.
@  smartzuum : (18 August 2016 - 09:02 PM) Tuesday night, I spent about 5 hours on the net doing a bit more looking into new vehicles... and long story short, decided by 2 am Wednesday that I was likely to get a new Mazda CX-5 in FWD with a 6 speed manual.... Went into the dealer at 4 Wednesday and was done the deal by 6... picked up the dark grey base model at 1 pm today, and so far, I'm pretty impressed. Therefore, the k has become an m....
@  smartzuum : (18 August 2016 - 08:54 PM) but we've read about this issue before!!!
@  smartzuum : (18 August 2016 - 08:53 PM) what the heck???? how do they screw that up? bad
@  Mike T : (18 August 2016 - 06:42 PM) oh man
@  Surturiel : (18 August 2016 - 10:21 AM) (but they asked to send them the bill, so they will refund me)
@  Surturiel : (18 August 2016 - 10:20 AM) now I need to fix my front fender that they broke because they put the rear wheels on the right and the front ones on the left...
@  Surturiel : (18 August 2016 - 10:19 AM) the guys at kaltire paid me 40 for all of them T.T
@  Surturiel : (18 August 2016 - 10:19 AM) I had to leave them behind, Mike T. nowhere to put them...
@  cadillacman : (15 August 2016 - 04:49 PM) or go to http://clubsmartcar....showtopic=28124
@  cadillacman : (15 August 2016 - 04:49 PM) pick any topic on this forum and then replace the topic # at then end of the url
@  moi : (15 August 2016 - 12:51 PM) this website and,I are not getting along at all...methinks I am just not good with computers. LOL. I need a tutor or something.
@  moi : (15 August 2016 - 12:50 PM) how do I look up topic 28124?
@  moi : (15 August 2016 - 12:50 PM) Cadillacman
@  Mike T : (14 August 2016 - 06:05 PM) glad you made it.
@  Mike T : (14 August 2016 - 06:05 PM) Left near Dryden?
@  Mike T : (14 August 2016 - 06:05 PM) What did you do with the three good tires you had before?
@  Surturiel : (14 August 2016 - 11:36 AM) Unfortunately I bought them from Kaltire, and though they replace them no questions asked, the nearest store is in Ontario...
@  Surturiel : (14 August 2016 - 11:35 AM) Now I need to replace the intercooler and find a way to trade these 185/60s...
@  Surturiel : (14 August 2016 - 11:34 AM) So, we (me and the car) survived the trip! I'm in Halifax!
@  Surturiel : (14 August 2016 - 11:34 AM) Hey, people
@  moi : (14 August 2016 - 11:27 AM) Consider it done!! Membership is inexpensive and and I am way below novice. Love the car very much but am too inexperienced to deal with these things.
@  cadillacman : (14 August 2016 - 08:00 AM) see topic 28124 on this forum
@  cadillacman : (14 August 2016 - 07:54 AM) smartest tool you can purchase at this point is a membership to http://www.evilution.co.uk/
@  Mike T : (14 August 2016 - 07:49 AM) Unscrew the SAM from the front edge of the dash - T-10. Then it's easier to pull the whole thing down and get at the top side where all the connectors are. They're all labelled, molded into the SAM casing. N11-3 with the brown plug.
@  moi : (14 August 2016 - 07:43 AM) PS...I gotta read up on how one discerns which 'connector' is the right one...I imagine there is something already on the forum to show how to identify each connector.
@  moi : (14 August 2016 - 07:40 AM) You guys are much appreciated by this pure amateur.
@  moi : (14 August 2016 - 07:39 AM) I wish someone knowledgeable lived closer to Owen Sound..
@  moi : (14 August 2016 - 07:38 AM) It's interesting that when I started to remove the cardboard cover that hides the SAM the actual unit was already unclipped and dangling...the dealer I got it from must have been monkeying about in there. The thing cranks rapidly but won't start and there is no fuel pump sound.
@  Mike T : (13 August 2016 - 10:07 AM) Yes I should have! oops
@  cadillacman : (13 August 2016 - 09:54 AM) I think Mike should have said N11-3
@  Mike T : (13 August 2016 - 09:54 AM) For clarity, what I called "connector" below in the first post is actually the whole plug or plug head (brown plastic) but elsewhere it means the single electrical contact within the plug.
@  Mike T : (13 August 2016 - 09:29 AM) With respect to replacing the plug head, the plastic bit will be enough but if the corrosion or heat damage on the female connector is too bad you can replace that single connector.
@  Mike T : (13 August 2016 - 09:28 AM) Take out the N-11-2 connector and look for melting. If there is melting, if you are lucky replacing the plug head (repair kit available from Mercedes) will revive the SAM. And that plus both headlight circuits require an external relay to protect the SAM. There are threads in the operations and maintenance forum about this.
@  moi : (13 August 2016 - 09:10 AM) PS....so...how does one clean those "plugs"? Spray? Sandpaper? Mini wire brush? Shotgun?? Just kidding on hat one....maybe.
@  moi : (13 August 2016 - 09:08 AM) Mike T. Thanks very much for the comeback. My little Smart Passion will crank over vigorously but NO sound of the fuel pump running. Methinks it is time for me and "Sam" to have a visit....
@  smartzuum : (12 August 2016 - 09:26 PM) Last chance on canada1 at $6500 before I roll it over 100km soon.... :) If you are quick, you can do the honour!
@  Mike T : (12 August 2016 - 07:32 PM) plugs. Little captive connectors.
@  moi : (12 August 2016 - 08:47 AM) I have not looked at the unit itself but wonder what the connectors look like. Plug ins? Spades?
@  moi : (12 August 2016 - 08:45 AM) You advised that you cleaned the connections on the SAM unit...how did you go about it please?
@  moi : (12 August 2016 - 08:43 AM) Dank1945

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#1 promoz

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Posted 23 August 2008 - 05:47 PM

I just got a 2004 (yesterday) I parked it about 2 hours ago. I was going to drive it some more just now, and it won't go into gear. Instead of "R" it says "O" WHAT'S UP WITH THAT??? Please Help.Thanks!Joey (In Tulsa, Ok)

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Posted 23 August 2008 - 06:00 PM

I just got a 2004 (yesterday) I parked it about 2 hours ago. I was going to drive it some more just now, and it won't go into gear. Instead of "R" it says "O" WHAT'S UP WITH THAT??? Please Help

Hi Joey,

The O means the transmission is not properly in a gear. Switch off, then put your foot on the brake, switch to 1st position select N and start the car. With your foot on the brake, select 1 or R. Off you go!

Easy to forget at first that you must have foot on the brake.

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Posted 23 August 2008 - 06:14 PM

THANKS BILL!I AM NOW ROLLIN'! WELL... AFTER I SHUT MY MAC NOTEBOOK. I TRADED MY 1975 AUSTIN MINI DELIVERY WAGON FOR THIS 2004 SMART AND HOLY COW, I DONT' THINK THEIR COULD BE ANY MORE "COOL" STUFF THAT THESE CARS COULD HAVE.THANK YOU!JOEY

Edited by promoz, 23 August 2008 - 06:54 PM.


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Posted 23 August 2008 - 06:37 PM

Oh I can't tell you how often this one has tripped us up! The worst is when I slip into my old habit of putting her in neutral at stop lights, then forget to hit the brake before going back into gear. there's me panicky fiddling with the gears and brakes while the impatient troglodytes behind me start leaning on their horns. For the record, around here they honk you if you're less than a second late going at the light.
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 07:03 PM

WELL... I'VE ONLY HAD MY SMART FOR 1 DAY AND ALREADY PULLED OVER BY THE POLICE. THE FUNNY THING IS... I WAS PARKED. HE HAD TO CHECK IT OUT FOR HIS WIFE.

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Posted 23 August 2008 - 07:41 PM

Haha! get used to it, Tulsa. And welcome to the wonderful world of smart!B :sun:
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 08:44 PM

I was born in OK! Interestingly enough, now I live in the Okanagan, often abreviated OK (never thought about that till just now).A 2004... neat. Curious what kind of a price point those are going for in the states now that the 2008's are available. At one point, the '03 to '06 imports were going for $30 to $40k. - Steven
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Posted 24 August 2008 - 08:50 AM

Yolanda - When you are stopped or moving slowly in Neutral, you don't need to put the brake on to engage First gear . . . . just tap the shifter to "+". That way you don't annoy the car following by coming to a stop again and saves looking like a novice driver.

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Posted 24 August 2008 - 10:28 AM

Yolanda - When you are stopped or moving slowly in Neutral, you don't need to put the brake on to engage First gear . . . . just tap the shifter to "+". That way you don't annoy the car following by coming to a stop again and saves looking like a novice driver.

It's a 2006 so neutral is actually a slide sideways and to get it in gear again you have to slide it to the left. I have this habit (quickly vanishing) of putting my automatic into neutral, because my last couple of beaters had trouble idling in gear. They'd run rough and sometimes even stall, and the creep meant sitting on the brake. So I learned to put the car into neutral (a slide to the right in the case of my rabbit) then into gear, and on those cars you didn't need to hold the brake when going into gear. In the smart 450, however, the car puts itself into neutral when sitting on a light, and until you apply the accelerator pedal, stays in gear, but clutch let out (neutral) without needing to brake on a level surface. However, if you do move the lever to the neutral position (to the right) you will have to put your foot on the brake before moving it into reverse (back one) or gear (to the left). then it's a tap forward or backward to move through the sequential gears. As I understand it, the 451's gear system is distinctly different, more more similar to conventional north american automatic gear shifts.
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Posted 24 August 2008 - 12:17 PM

To clarify: the 450 does not go into neutral unless you shift it into neutral. At a light it stays in gear with the clutch disengaged.

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Posted 24 August 2008 - 01:58 PM

To clarify - My interpretation was that the driver had manually put the car into "N" at the stop light i.e. moved the shifter to the right. When the light changed to green she then put the shifter to the left without having the foot brake on, assuming the transmission would be in "1st". Then the "panicky fiddling" (her terms, not mine) with the transmission shifter and the brake pedal began. At that point a simple tapping of the shifter to "+" would engage the transmission without any "panicky fiddling". No brake pedal required. Mike is correct that when the car downshifts to 1st at a stop, the transmission is in gear and the clutch is engaged and running on the throw out bearing rather than being in actual neutral. Same as holding the clutch pedal down in a conventional clutch set-up.

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Posted 24 August 2008 - 07:59 PM

Right, I think that covers all the bases!

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 05:08 AM

Well, just to throw my 2¢ into this: I've never had a clutch fail on any of my manual cars, and my habit was to sit at lights in first with my foot on the clutch. We're talking cars with over 100,000 Kms on them (one had 320,000). That said, I don't understand the need to pop the fortwo into N at a light, unless you are in a 451 and detest the "creep," or know how long a light is and wish to turn off the engine. Even so, I'm with Fred J on this: if you're at a light in Neutral, just move the lever back to the right. Your foot was on the brake anyway, wasn't it? The only reason it would be "jiggly-fiddly" would be if you're doing things you shouldn't be doing.
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Posted 28 August 2008 - 06:57 PM

I was born in OK! Interestingly enough, now I live in the Okanagan, often abreviated OK (never thought about that till just now). A 2004... neat. Curious what kind of a price point those are going for in the states now that the 2008's are available. At one point, the '03 to '06 imports were going for $30 to $40k. - Steven

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Posted 05 September 2008 - 09:38 PM

Promoz - sounds like you didn't get an owner's manual - here is one for the european gas model - much the same - hope it helps - Fortwo owners manual Save it to a file - so I don't get clobbered for bandwidth usage if you access it a couple hundred times. Cheers, Cameron
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Posted 05 September 2008 - 09:56 PM

Promoz - sounds like you didn't get an owner's manual - here is one for the european gas model - much the same - hope it helps - Fortwo owners manual Save it to a file - so I don't get clobbered for bandwidth usage if you access it a couple hundred times. Cheers, Cameron

No. I have one. I only had my smart for less than a day when I posted this. I was like a little kid at Christmas with a new toy, and I wasn't using my brain. I also own a VW Jetta and you have to do the same for it. I just don't drive it to often. I like drive my 70's muscle(s)... and my smart, OF COURSE! But Thanks for the link. I know the guy I got this one from has another "Euro", so I will send this info to him. (just in case). Thanks! JOEY - TULSA, OK.




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