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@  Francesco : (28 August 2015 - 08:56 AM) Check with Fast Eddy to see if he'll rent you the correct tool for cheap.
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:43 PM) (like copper or aluminium)
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:43 PM) I'll try with something hard, but not as hard as steel
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:42 PM) tolsen has posted about it before. Personally I thought a couple hours of tinkering was time better spent elsewhere, and the $50 for the tool well spent
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:41 PM) you need a hardwood, soft won't do
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:41 PM) no worries, got the idea
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:40 PM) the hole being the exact size of the rod, not the disc. Sorry about the syntax
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:39 PM) A wooden clamp would work well. Drill a hole in a wooden disc the exact size of the strut rod's diameter, then cut the disc in half and add flats
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:13 PM) leather is too soft, as is rubber. I was thinking about either copper wire wound around the strut or tinfoil. and a vise Grip
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:11 PM) An old leather belt might work better, but I had no luck with it
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:10 PM) (I was thinking about a vise grip and tinfoil. you know, tinfoil is aluminum, and can potentailly protect the shock, and a vbise grip is FAR more useful than the clamp, but this is me trying to Mcgiver a solution, as usual...)
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:07 PM) ah, ok, then
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:06 PM) The strut spins freely, you need the special clamping tool to provide flats for a big open ended wrench (with this tool 47 mm)
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:03 PM) Can't I use LOTS of wd40, a t47 bit and a breaker bar?
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:01 PM) The strut clamp is a necessity. Worth every cent I paid -- making something similar myself would have taken me more time than I'd like to spend in order to save the few bucks.
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:00 PM) c'mon! I'll use twine. And optimism.
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 01:59 PM) I honestly didn't need them on the broken spring, and while handy for the lowering springs, not necessary.
@  dmoonen : (27 August 2015 - 08:06 AM) Spring compresssors are still needed. .Tolson why must you take the hard way to everything
@  Surturiel : (26 August 2015 - 03:59 PM) nah, the springs are broken, and I can use the ye old zip-tie trick. But since I'm going to put eibachs (-25mm) I won't worry.]
@  tolsen : (26 August 2015 - 03:43 PM) Clamp type spring compressors should not be used since the damage both protective coating and spring.
@  dmoonen : (26 August 2015 - 11:27 AM) The spring compressors you can borrow at Canadian tire
@  dmoonen : (26 August 2015 - 11:27 AM) I have the Mercedes strut clamp you can borrow just pay shipping and if you break it you buy it. Pm me
@  Surturiel : (26 August 2015 - 08:51 AM) thanks, guys! And... does anyone in Vancouver area have the clamp so I can "rent"?
@  dmoonen : (25 August 2015 - 06:43 PM) To and from SK*. I'm just waiting on some bits to finish the Golf build
@  dmoonen : (25 August 2015 - 06:41 PM) Still driving it, drove it to and from and average 4.7l/100l loaded to the brim.
@  Francesco : (25 August 2015 - 06:19 PM) Dillen how much did you end up getting for the wagon?
@  Francesco : (25 August 2015 - 05:13 PM) And if replacing the plastic bellows (dust boots) on the struts, cut a good 1.5" off the bottoms of them or they'll just compress around the stops and get in the way of the clamp tool
@  Francesco : (25 August 2015 - 05:11 PM) also, take a new knife blade and cut about an inch off the bump stops unless you love bottoming out on small bumps.
@  Francesco : (25 August 2015 - 05:09 PM) wont need it for the Eibachs
@  Francesco : (25 August 2015 - 05:09 PM) If the springs are broken at the top as suspected, the spring compressor might not be necessary.
@  dmoonen : (25 August 2015 - 04:49 PM) And a normal spring compressor
@  dmoonen : (25 August 2015 - 04:46 PM) Strut clamp tool*
@  dmoonen : (25 August 2015 - 04:46 PM) Lots of penetrating oil on the top nut and see if you can borrow a strut tool of you don't have the proper air tools
@  Surturiel : (25 August 2015 - 01:08 PM) Now, let's see if I can replace them without getting myself killed...
@  Surturiel : (25 August 2015 - 01:07 PM) Got the Eibach springs!
@  dmoonen : (25 August 2015 - 12:29 PM) Lol
@  Francesco : (25 August 2015 - 10:18 AM) ok, maybe MikeT
@  Francesco : (25 August 2015 - 10:18 AM) Who doesn't? Hehehe
@  dmoonen : (25 August 2015 - 07:46 AM) sounds like you have a decent to do list. .
@  Surturiel : (23 August 2015 - 08:00 PM) Perhaps even throw a set of powerflex purple bushings, and a set of 16" "space" wheels, but not now...)
@  Surturiel : (23 August 2015 - 07:58 PM) ( I WILL replace the entire control arm, with all 4 ball joints, drop links, all the upper bearings and a nice set of B8s. But not now. Maybe by December, when I get money for that...
@  Surturiel : (23 August 2015 - 07:57 PM) Nah, the steering damper is fine (I was worried about that too), and actually, the bearing is not bad, its just the pad that is glazed.
@  Francesco : (23 August 2015 - 02:07 PM) also check your steering damper. If the damage is already extensive, good chance the damper has bled out like mine had
@  Francesco : (23 August 2015 - 02:06 PM) but honestly if you are removing the control arms, you may as well replace the other parts. Use the Evilution or FQ guides, and add in tolsen's tips about reversing the BJ bolts, and using SS bolts and nuts if possible.
@  Francesco : (23 August 2015 - 02:04 PM) The right bearing might turn out to be a seized caliper or delaminated pad...
@  Surturiel : (22 August 2015 - 09:20 PM) I lifted the car today, and upon inspection, I saw that the ball joints and the drop links are fine. The bushings are probably busted (they are noisy and rough), and the right bearing is heavy and noisy. I couldn't see if the springs are broken or not, but both top collars are loose. (I'll trust CANMAN on that one). But I was getting ready to replace ALL ball joints, drop links, control arms, shocks...
@  Francesco : (22 August 2015 - 07:58 PM) So who was it that told you all that stuff was kaput? I seem to remember being puzzled about how extensive your list was
@  CANMAN : (22 August 2015 - 06:52 PM) Because both springs are broken at the top.
@  Surturiel : (22 August 2015 - 02:06 PM) Oh, and the right bearing is kaput.
@  Surturiel : (22 August 2015 - 02:06 PM) I finally lifted my smart. And to my surprise, both front springs, shocks, drop links and ball joints seem to be in good condition! What are NOT good are the top collars. Neither springs are sitting on them. How come?

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#1 steveyfrac

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Posted 02 October 2008 - 08:01 PM

I've looked at a bunch of different block heater options. The wolverine heater pads, and a bunch of different ones sold by Canadian Tire. One that looked interesting sticks on magnetically. There were also two that circulate warmed coolant.If the coolant ones will fit, i'd love to use those. Else i think i'll get the magnetic one. I assume the magnetic one I have to pull off every morning, and stick it back on every night? I could see that getting old fast.The wolverine pad looks interesting, but it's really low wattage, and I question it's ability to keep the car warm in a -25 degree wind. My car is parked way out in the open, and the wind cuts through it. My gasoline cars have trouble starting some days.

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Posted 03 October 2008 - 04:13 AM

I did the oil pan heater and can give it a :thumbsup_anim: .It gets the job done and like you noticed doesn't draw a lot of electricity. I tried to get a group buy going in 2006 but there wasn't any interest. Seems like our little diesels will start in all but the most extreme cold days. Good luck!
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Posted 03 October 2008 - 04:17 AM

I've used the magnetic heater on an old truck, worked well.Didn't have to remove it every morning as there was enough space on the side of the block,not an option with these cars, I'm afraid.

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Posted 03 October 2008 - 04:36 AM

I used the magnetic one last year. Was going to use the wolvering pad one but couldn't bring myself to take sandpaper the underside of the oil pan. Yes you have to take it off every morning and put it on every night, it's not that much of a hassle. Even with a wolverine pad you still end up fishing around in the snowbank for the extension cord anyways, so it's just an extra 5 seconds to put the pan heater on. I'm more of a fan of the oil pan heaters like the pad or the magnetic one as opposed to the in-line coolant heaters or block heaters because it's more important IMHO to have the oil in the pan warm when starting so that it gets circulating quickly to prevent wear. Anyways, two thumbs up for the mag heater from me, and I'll be using it again this year!

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Posted 03 October 2008 - 04:42 AM

I'm planning on getting the magnetic one for this winter. I agree that removing it every morning could be a hassle, but last year I only had about 5 days that I needed to plug my old car in. So if the weather stays the reasonable, it shouldn't be too bad.Wayne.

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Posted 03 October 2008 - 05:53 AM

I installed the recirculating 750w heater from Canadian tire, It does fit. I had to remove the left headlight and overflow. I wanted to fit it to the heater lines but ended up hooking it to the 5/8 line that comes from the bottom rad hose to the bottom of the overflow.

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Posted 03 October 2008 - 02:44 PM

Neat topic. I've got an old mag heater from years ago. Still works. I was given it for a car that had no block heater, till I finally installed a block heater. Still have it. Iris has got a block heater and lives in a garage so I probably don't need this. What you think?Anyone in Saskatchewan want it? I'll trade it for a large mocha and a boston cream donut at Timmy's with you :-)
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Blue with silver. Interior grey with black leather seats and wheel.
Panoramic roof, heated leather seats and side mirrors, mp3 aux on stereo, cup holder, power windows and mirrors, tach and clock pods, candy dish fashioned to look like an ashtray, passion alloy rims, air conditioning, "dancing" foot-well lights, spare 12v "always on" accessory plug, custom fabric privacy cover.
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Posted 04 October 2008 - 12:02 PM

Neat topic. I've got an old mag heater from years ago. Still works. I was given it for a car that had no block heater, till I finally installed a block heater. Still have it. Iris has got a block heater and lives in a garage so I probably don't need this. What you think? Anyone in Saskatchewan want it? I'll trade it for a large mocha and a boston cream donut at Timmy's with you :-)

Does it count if i send you a Timies gift certificate and a picture of myself drinking a hot chocolate? :P I bought an interior ceramic heater to warm the car prior to me getting in it this winter, instead of getting heated seats. It's a $70 ceramic heater, 900w from Canadian tire. Truthfully, it's probably overkill for the size of the car. I don't think it would have much trouble keeping a full sized van warm at -40. I'm going to be running it on a timer that has it come on about an hour before i have to drive. Problem is i don't have the cable that connects to the front of the car :( I bought the car used, and the cable wasn't included. I hope mercedez dosen't charge $200 for the cable. Mind you, if that's the case, it'll do a lookup on it, and build my own. If anyone is out there that dosent' need their cable, I'll buy it off you. I was looking for the pad style heater but didn't find one. Might check parts source, or order the wolverine pad. I'm less worried about it being ABLE to start, and more worried about it causing less wear, because everything is already warm.

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Posted 04 October 2008 - 02:53 PM

I let the ceramic heater run for an hour to see how it would do, and also, to ensure that the sides don't heat up. I want to mount it underneath the passenger seat so any appreciable heat gain is unacceptable. The sides stayed perfectly cool. Furthermore, it heated my house up to about 28 degrees. It's like a freakin sauna in here. Definately overkill for my application, but you can bet that i won't be scrapping any windows in the mornings this winter!

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Posted 05 October 2008 - 12:51 AM

Does it count if i send you a Timies gift certificate and a picture of myself drinking a hot chocolate? :P

LOL, photo huh? I really don't want to deal with shipping is the thing. I am terrible at getting snail mail out. Even letters can sit for up to a year before i actually get them in an envelope and another few months for a stamp, then, well, they're lucky if they get to a mailbox instead of lost or tossed for being obsolete. Packages? Oh dear. This thing isn't worth it, really. Cheaper to buy at the store than to mail anyway.
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Vanity plates "Iris 42," stereo bluetooth plug-in for mp3 player.
LiteGlow undercar LED color changing, music responsive, remote controlled novelty lighting kit, self installed.
Currently tarped with a damaged front left and damaged panels from a fender bender that totalled her. Parts car standing by for spring.

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Posted 05 October 2008 - 01:57 PM

LOL, photo huh? I really don't want to deal with shipping is the thing. I am terrible at getting snail mail out. Even letters can sit for up to a year before i actually get them in an envelope and another few months for a stamp, then, well, they're lucky if they get to a mailbox instead of lost or tossed for being obsolete. Packages? Oh dear. This thing isn't worth it, really. Cheaper to buy at the store than to mail anyway.

Ya I understand. :) I'm probably going to order the 9.1 wolverine pad. I'm actually tempted to get two, to make sure it's warm enough o.O.

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Posted 05 October 2008 - 04:14 PM

You don't need that much warmth, I wouldn't go that far. It helps if your car is in a sheltered area so there's less air movement to cool it, but really it doesn't take that much warmth to make a difference.
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Vanity plates "Iris 42," stereo bluetooth plug-in for mp3 player.
LiteGlow undercar LED color changing, music responsive, remote controlled novelty lighting kit, self installed.
Currently tarped with a damaged front left and damaged panels from a fender bender that totalled her. Parts car standing by for spring.

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Posted 05 October 2008 - 08:26 PM

You don't need that much warmth, I wouldn't go that far. It helps if your car is in a sheltered area so there's less air movement to cool it, but really it doesn't take that much warmth to make a difference.

Eh. My car is parked in more or less a windswept open field. Kinda anyways. I've had days where my gas cars barely start. I've also had snow drift over the entire car. I was grumpy that day IIRC. Two probably is overkill though i guess.

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 02:25 AM

Two would be overkill. You're other option is a webasto heater, but that is very expensive...webasto review.
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Posted 06 October 2008 - 05:23 AM

Two would be overkill. You're other option is a webasto heater, but that is very expensive...webasto review.

I've looked at the webasto, but it's too expensive to be realistic, despite being really really cool. My concern with the wolverine pad remains that it's too little heat to make a difference. Other block heaters solutions start at almost twice the power output. Mind you, heating the oil directly is probably a technically superior solution, and doesn't require as much power. Gah, ordering the wolverine pad. Pretty soon it'll be to cold to install anything.

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 05:26 AM

Do you have access to a hoist?
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Posted 06 October 2008 - 07:22 AM

Do you have access to a hoist?

Not really. :( I don't even have ramps.

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 07:36 AM

While looking at the Wolverine website I noticed they have an in-pan heater listed. That'd be the ideal if it would fit. It looks like it is 10.75" long though so it may not be use-able for the smart, but I wonder if someone else sells a smaller but same type element that threads into the oil pan.

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 08:11 AM

While looking at the Wolverine website I noticed they have an in-pan heater listed. That'd be the ideal if it would fit. It looks like it is 10.75" long though so it may not be use-able for the smart, but I wonder if someone else sells a smaller but same type element that threads into the oil pan.

I'd be paranoi about it leaking. I already freak out about checking my filter all the time to make sure there isn't a slow drip.

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 09:35 AM

I don't see why it would leak, if things are properly tightened with a proper gasket or crush washer, they should never have a problem.

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 10:21 AM

I don't see why it would leak, if things are properly tightened with a proper gasket or crush washer, they should never have a problem.

Oh i don't doubt that a secure instalation wouldn't be possible and practical. But i would doubt my own installation, much the same way as i doubt that i put the filter back on tight enough when i do my own oil changes.

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 12:02 PM

I'm researching a couple of different options this week. One garage offered to throw on one of the permanent stick-on type oil pan heaters for us, the wife's gonna comfirm the price this week.But I may have just found a better and less expensive solution. Looks like I could get a 4" x 4" oil pan heater for less than $55. It's 300W and it's the type that uses adjustable straps to bolt-on with a couple of the existing oil pan bolts.I don't have the car here to take a look, does anyone have any pics of the 451 engine's oil pan and/or know if this latter type of application is compatible? Are their pan bolts directly accross from each other?
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Posted 24 November 2008 - 08:57 AM

Does it count if i send you a Timies gift certificate and a picture of myself drinking a hot chocolate? :P I bought an interior ceramic heater to warm the car prior to me getting in it this winter, instead of getting heated seats. It's a $70 ceramic heater, 900w from Canadian tire. Truthfully, it's probably overkill for the size of the car. I don't think it would have much trouble keeping a full sized van warm at -40. I'm going to be running it on a timer that has it come on about an hour before i have to drive. Problem is i don't have the cable that connects to the front of the car :( I bought the car used, and the cable wasn't included. I hope mercedez dosen't charge $200 for the cable. Mind you, if that's the case, it'll do a lookup on it, and build my own. If anyone is out there that dosent' need their cable, I'll buy it off you. I was looking for the pad style heater but didn't find one. Might check parts source, or order the wolverine pad. I'm less worried about it being ABLE to start, and more worried about it causing less wear, because everything is already warm.

Princess Auto has a 500 watt heater on sale right now for $14.00 you can set it for 1000 watts but why would we? ;) I bought one, it's quite compact, I didn't get a cable with my car but have placed an order with a electronic supply house for an Amphenol plug.

*sold*...2005 450 cdi passion blue w/power sunroof ,Softtouch transmission, ignition free power window conversion. Custom seat covers;"Poorman's push button start";Kofangar-Lasse's "450&1/2" font panel mod , euro front turn signal conversion w/led side blinkers,spin on oil filter adapter, SGII, Roadster wheel package W/ Moon wheel covers, AGM battery, after market TPMS, self installed clock & tach package, JVC stereo head unit,Full EGR delete w/emulator,120V space heater w/timer,TK Olsen's coolant restrictor plug, Willgoose's GT SS Exhaust,S-mann SS valance; Windshield wiper blade washer jets, Led angel eyes , under seat drawer; Self installed Webasto coolant heater.*sold*

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An Airedale standing beside a chauffeur & Rolls Royce.....may give the impression that he's there by choice.
95 Tacoma 4wd (with "just a few" mods), 2011 8x8 Argo, 60 year old 7.5 hp 800 lb antique Lister stationary Diesel


#24 martenswd

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Posted 28 November 2008 - 08:09 AM

I've been useing the magnetic one from canadian tire. Works great. It's kind of annoying having to reach under the car before and after each drive to stick it on but it was free (My dad had one collecting dust).
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#25 strawboss

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Posted 29 December 2008 - 08:36 AM

I'm researching a couple of different options this week. One garage offered to throw on one of the permanent stick-on type oil pan heaters for us, the wife's gonna comfirm the price this week. But I may have just found a better and less expensive solution. Looks like I could get a 4" x 4" oil pan heater for less than $55. It's 300W and it's the type that uses adjustable straps to bolt-on with a couple of the existing oil pan bolts. I don't have the car here to take a look, does anyone have any pics of the 451 engine's oil pan and/or know if this latter type of application is compatible? Are their pan bolts directly accross from each other?

If that heater falls through here's a Cdn supplier with a good price for a stick on heater, if you can lay your hands on some ramps the job is dead easy.... http://www.generator...pan-heaters.php

*sold*...2005 450 cdi passion blue w/power sunroof ,Softtouch transmission, ignition free power window conversion. Custom seat covers;"Poorman's push button start";Kofangar-Lasse's "450&1/2" font panel mod , euro front turn signal conversion w/led side blinkers,spin on oil filter adapter, SGII, Roadster wheel package W/ Moon wheel covers, AGM battery, after market TPMS, self installed clock & tach package, JVC stereo head unit,Full EGR delete w/emulator,120V space heater w/timer,TK Olsen's coolant restrictor plug, Willgoose's GT SS Exhaust,S-mann SS valance; Windshield wiper blade washer jets, Led angel eyes , under seat drawer; Self installed Webasto coolant heater.*sold*

100_0569-1.jpg

An Airedale standing beside a chauffeur & Rolls Royce.....may give the impression that he's there by choice.
95 Tacoma 4wd (with "just a few" mods), 2011 8x8 Argo, 60 year old 7.5 hp 800 lb antique Lister stationary Diesel





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