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@  Mike T : (24 August 2016 - 08:38 PM) Yeah because the injectors don't spray fuel at the intake valves, gumming them up is possible. A good thrash from time to time at redline will do wonders.
@  smartzuum : (24 August 2016 - 07:51 PM) Italian tune-ups for DI engines I read, above and beyond good fuel and proper maintenance. Jap engines LOVE to rev.
@  smartzuum : (24 August 2016 - 07:36 PM) Interesting point Mike..... I'm typically a Chevron guy for gas, so not too worried about gas quality itself. But a good reminder to keep the oil VERY clean and do occasional spirited driving as well.... which it got last night on the way back from Penticton on the Coq. Hard to avoid DI engines nowadays I reckon.... the unlimited powertrain warranty for 5 years is comforting....
@  dmoonen : (24 August 2016 - 10:58 AM) Oh yeah 94 octane fuel :/
@  dmoonen : (24 August 2016 - 10:50 AM) Im getting like 17-18mpg right now with the R32. My whole fuel mileage thing just runs off pure smiles per mile now.
@  Mike T : (24 August 2016 - 05:59 AM) Not bad. I would point out that the best I've achieved in the old-tech B 200 is a bit better than that! The Mazda has direct injection. So watch for valve gunk buildup.
@  smartzuum : (23 August 2016 - 11:53 PM) Best tank so far is 5.85 L/100 km in the CX-5.... and seem to be averaging around 6.1 overall..... incredible.... just got back from 2500 km road trip - through the rockies!
@  smart65 : (19 August 2016 - 06:55 AM) Ours has auto though.
@  smart65 : (19 August 2016 - 06:54 AM) Good choice. We've had a similar model since July 2012. No regrets!
@  smartzuum : (18 August 2016 - 09:09 PM) no led lights or navigation screens.... oops....
@  smartzuum : (18 August 2016 - 09:08 PM) 2.0 litre, 155 hp, and thank goodness, no LED lights of van screens on the base model... cruise, stereo, info display, AC.... all I need! It's a wonder you can get something like this still.
@  smartzuum : (18 August 2016 - 09:06 PM) 65 cubic feet cargo room behind the front row with second row flat, a must for me now.....
@  smartzuum : (18 August 2016 - 09:05 PM) Gone is the Volvo V50 T5 FWD automatic.... I got $4500 trade, which with the tax savings got me $5040 of my $5500 total out of pocket on purchase and tax and repairs... not bad for a years driving.... the mazda has a 5 year UNLIMITED kms warranty on the powertrain.... and 3 years unlimited kms bumper to bumper.... unreal. Looks like it can do 6.0 on the highway, just anecdotally from the trip meter in the vehicle, but we'll see soon enough.
@  smartzuum : (18 August 2016 - 09:02 PM) Tuesday night, I spent about 5 hours on the net doing a bit more looking into new vehicles... and long story short, decided by 2 am Wednesday that I was likely to get a new Mazda CX-5 in FWD with a 6 speed manual.... Went into the dealer at 4 Wednesday and was done the deal by 6... picked up the dark grey base model at 1 pm today, and so far, I'm pretty impressed. Therefore, the k has become an m....
@  smartzuum : (18 August 2016 - 08:54 PM) but we've read about this issue before!!!
@  smartzuum : (18 August 2016 - 08:53 PM) what the heck???? how do they screw that up? bad
@  Mike T : (18 August 2016 - 06:42 PM) oh man
@  Surturiel : (18 August 2016 - 10:21 AM) (but they asked to send them the bill, so they will refund me)
@  Surturiel : (18 August 2016 - 10:20 AM) now I need to fix my front fender that they broke because they put the rear wheels on the right and the front ones on the left...
@  Surturiel : (18 August 2016 - 10:19 AM) the guys at kaltire paid me 40 for all of them T.T
@  Surturiel : (18 August 2016 - 10:19 AM) I had to leave them behind, Mike T. nowhere to put them...
@  cadillacman : (15 August 2016 - 04:49 PM) or go to http://clubsmartcar....showtopic=28124
@  cadillacman : (15 August 2016 - 04:49 PM) pick any topic on this forum and then replace the topic # at then end of the url
@  moi : (15 August 2016 - 12:51 PM) this website and,I are not getting along at all...methinks I am just not good with computers. LOL. I need a tutor or something.
@  moi : (15 August 2016 - 12:50 PM) how do I look up topic 28124?
@  moi : (15 August 2016 - 12:50 PM) Cadillacman
@  Mike T : (14 August 2016 - 06:05 PM) glad you made it.
@  Mike T : (14 August 2016 - 06:05 PM) Left near Dryden?
@  Mike T : (14 August 2016 - 06:05 PM) What did you do with the three good tires you had before?
@  Surturiel : (14 August 2016 - 11:36 AM) Unfortunately I bought them from Kaltire, and though they replace them no questions asked, the nearest store is in Ontario...
@  Surturiel : (14 August 2016 - 11:35 AM) Now I need to replace the intercooler and find a way to trade these 185/60s...
@  Surturiel : (14 August 2016 - 11:34 AM) So, we (me and the car) survived the trip! I'm in Halifax!
@  Surturiel : (14 August 2016 - 11:34 AM) Hey, people
@  moi : (14 August 2016 - 11:27 AM) Consider it done!! Membership is inexpensive and and I am way below novice. Love the car very much but am too inexperienced to deal with these things.
@  cadillacman : (14 August 2016 - 08:00 AM) see topic 28124 on this forum
@  cadillacman : (14 August 2016 - 07:54 AM) smartest tool you can purchase at this point is a membership to http://www.evilution.co.uk/
@  Mike T : (14 August 2016 - 07:49 AM) Unscrew the SAM from the front edge of the dash - T-10. Then it's easier to pull the whole thing down and get at the top side where all the connectors are. They're all labelled, molded into the SAM casing. N11-3 with the brown plug.
@  moi : (14 August 2016 - 07:43 AM) PS...I gotta read up on how one discerns which 'connector' is the right one...I imagine there is something already on the forum to show how to identify each connector.
@  moi : (14 August 2016 - 07:40 AM) You guys are much appreciated by this pure amateur.
@  moi : (14 August 2016 - 07:39 AM) I wish someone knowledgeable lived closer to Owen Sound..
@  moi : (14 August 2016 - 07:38 AM) It's interesting that when I started to remove the cardboard cover that hides the SAM the actual unit was already unclipped and dangling...the dealer I got it from must have been monkeying about in there. The thing cranks rapidly but won't start and there is no fuel pump sound.
@  Mike T : (13 August 2016 - 10:07 AM) Yes I should have! oops
@  cadillacman : (13 August 2016 - 09:54 AM) I think Mike should have said N11-3
@  Mike T : (13 August 2016 - 09:54 AM) For clarity, what I called "connector" below in the first post is actually the whole plug or plug head (brown plastic) but elsewhere it means the single electrical contact within the plug.
@  Mike T : (13 August 2016 - 09:29 AM) With respect to replacing the plug head, the plastic bit will be enough but if the corrosion or heat damage on the female connector is too bad you can replace that single connector.
@  Mike T : (13 August 2016 - 09:28 AM) Take out the N-11-2 connector and look for melting. If there is melting, if you are lucky replacing the plug head (repair kit available from Mercedes) will revive the SAM. And that plus both headlight circuits require an external relay to protect the SAM. There are threads in the operations and maintenance forum about this.
@  moi : (13 August 2016 - 09:10 AM) PS....so...how does one clean those "plugs"? Spray? Sandpaper? Mini wire brush? Shotgun?? Just kidding on hat one....maybe.
@  moi : (13 August 2016 - 09:08 AM) Mike T. Thanks very much for the comeback. My little Smart Passion will crank over vigorously but NO sound of the fuel pump running. Methinks it is time for me and "Sam" to have a visit....
@  smartzuum : (12 August 2016 - 09:26 PM) Last chance on canada1 at $6500 before I roll it over 100km soon.... :) If you are quick, you can do the honour!
@  Mike T : (12 August 2016 - 07:32 PM) plugs. Little captive connectors.

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#51 JKA6373

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 10:45 AM

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 02:37 PM

I tried to send a comment, but it refuses to let me, telling me the three letters I type are always wrong.

I tried too,no go!
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Posted 20 May 2009 - 01:35 AM

Here's another one:
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Daily Gut: Deadly Dreams in Tiny Cars
by Greg Gutfeld

So according to MSNBC, President Obama is enjoying amazing support from “an uncommon alliance of auto executives, union leaders and environmental activists” concerning is new proposal to raise mileage standards and curb vehicle emissions.

But if you look at this support, you can see why it`s as pathetic as spoilers on a Yugo.

Of course, the auto executives are behind it, because the government is paying them to be behind it. For the union leaders and environmentalists, it just means a preservation of power and an increase in influence. The only people missing from this equation? The rest of America. They will pay with their wallets, and their lives.

According to the experts, Obama`s proposals will add about $1300 in costs to every car. How that helps an industry during a bottomless recession is beyond me. Worse, the National Academy of Sciences has linked mileage standards to roughly 2000 deaths per year. According to Steve Milloy, the author of Green Hell, every 100 pound reduction in the weight of small cars causes traffic fatalities to rise as much as 715 per year. He claims that Obama`s proposed plan will kill more Americans at a faster rate than the Iraq War. He might be right: last month, for example, crash tests found that drivers of the 2009 versions of so-called Smart cars- basically sardine cans without the odor or the protection - could suffer serious injuries in front-end crashes with larger, mid-size vehicles.

So wait a second. Who in God`s name would be criminal enough to be driving those larger, midsized vehicles?

Well besides evil parents who want to protect their families - try Barack Obama and Joe Biden. Yep, our fearless leaders Obama and Biden have the luxury of bullet-proof, tank-proof and smart-car proof transportation for themselves and their adorable offspring. Basically, if they hit us: they live, we die.

Unless, of course, we stick to buying the cars we want to buy, and not what the government wants. Which can only mean an inevitable punitive tax against evil people like us. Fact is, there is no huge demand for collapsible sippy-cup cars, because people prefer safety over economy. So the only way to get us into deadlier cars is to make it a financial burden to own the safe ones.

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#54 Mike T

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Posted 20 May 2009 - 01:44 PM

Who are these idiots? This dumbass probably has an arms cache in his basement too......

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Posted 24 May 2009 - 08:41 AM

Ahh, buy American made. Ford, GM. Next year the big brothers can have fat bonus again. If you don't, Uncle Sam had to bail 'em out again!
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Posted 24 May 2009 - 10:08 AM

Wow. Your honor, the defense pleads idiocy in the first degree.On a side note about domestic manufacturers: Check out the new Chevy Spark hitting our shores in 2011 (hopefully). It's a small domestic. The sport model has a 1.2L powerhouse (at 80ish HP) , and the standard mill is a 1.0L 68 hp beastie. Current estimates are putting it at 45 MPG (us) combined cycle. If it's inexpensive... sign me up! It looks sexy. I'll take one in green.-Steve

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 12:13 PM

''The smart is built around a tridion safety cell'' 26th of May 2009 How Crumple Zones Work Introduction Looking at photographs with car accidents that took place in the 1950's and accidents in more recent times you'd think that engineers have gone backwards and have made vehicles less safe. Early automobile design theories saw extremely rigid bodies that were very resistant during an accident and didn't allow too many deformations. As a consequence, all the forces were transferred to the occupants, most of the times this being quite fatal. It wasn't until 1953 that the first crumple zones were implemented on vehicles. Like many other technologies in the automotive work, the company responsible for it was Mercedes-Benz. One of the engineers, Béla Barényi, had studied this problem for quite some time and in 1953, his ideas came to fruition in the "Ponton" (three-box body) Mercedes (model series W 120). In 1967, the Mercedes Heckflosse (also known as the Fintail) was the first production car in the world with “crumple zone” safety features including a safety cage with crumple zones and a trunk that had been made almost 50% bigger. The Theory Like it or not, physics has the explanation as to why crumple zones are necessary. Isaac Newton's first law states that an object in motion will stay in motion with the same speed and in the same direction unless acted upon by an unbalanced force. If a vehicle is traveling at 50 mph, so are the bodies inside and if this vehicle stops abruptly into a solid wall, the bodies will “feel” the need to keep going in the same direction at 50 mph, unless of course something stops them. What's more, even if the bodies themselves stop, the internal organs will continue to move, thus causing severe injuries. We're still not out of the physics woods yet. There's another law, the second, from the same Newton saying that force equals mass multiplied by acceleration. Translated to our situation, that of an accident, it means that the force experienced by the automobile and its occupants decreases if the time required by the vehicle to stop increases. So What Do Crumple Zones Do Anyway? They work exactly according to the two laws. Placed at the front and the rear of the car, they absorb the crash energy developed during an impact. This is achieved by deformation, something unheard of in the early days of automobile design. While certain parts of the car are designed to allow deformations, the passenger cabin is strengthened by using high-strength steel and more beams. Second, crumple zones delay the collision. Instead of having two rigid bodies instantaneously colliding, crumple zones increase the time before the vehicle comes to a halt. What About Very Small Cars? That's a very good question as small cars don't have room for crumple zones. Take the smart for instance. Where could you possibly have crumple zones on a car like that? Engineers found a solution for that minute vehicle as well. The smart is built around a tridion safety cell, a steel housing that combines longitudinal and transverse members that displace impact forces over a large area of the car. Another important component of the smart is the crash box. “The smart fortwo is designed with steel bumpers at the front and rear that are bolted to the safety cell´s longitudinal beams via slip tubes. They can be replaced after minor collisions at low costs. For parking lot bumps, an impact of less than 2 miles an hour won't affect the crash box at all. Up to about 10 miles per hour, the slip tubes move to keep impact away from the tridion safety cell. Over 10 miles an hour, the tridion safety cell transmits impact over its entire surface to dissipate energy and protect its occupants (assuming a perpendicular impact involving the entire front width). At the rear of the car, the crash box is also built of steel, which crumples much like the front slip tubes do. At an impact exceeding the severity threshold, the fuel supply to the engine is stopped and the central locking system is automatically unlocked” In 2004, Pininfarina's Nido concept showed an alternative to the classic crumple zones. The Nido Concept is composed of 3 primary elements: the cell, the sled and the absorber. In the event of a head-on collision, the vehicle absorbs part of the energy with the deformable front section of the chassis, constructed of two metal struts with internal plastic foam absorbers. These components are shaped as truncated cones in order to dissipate the energy over the cellular sheet metal firewall, which in turn transfers the energy along the central tunnel and the side members. The remaining energy, due to the mass of the dummies and the sled, shifts the sled itself forward and compresses the two honeycomb absorbers between the rigid cell and the dashboard of the sled shell, resulting in the gradual and controlled deceleration of the dummies. The insertion of honeycomb absorber elements between the rigid cell and the sled shell means that, in a collision, the deceleration curve for the sled is lower than the curve for the rigid cell. .............................. Source.
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Posted 28 May 2009 - 12:36 PM

This crumpling of honeycomb structure was also what Grumman used in the landing legs of the Lunar Exploration Module for the moon landings to absorb the landing shock. Conventional shocks would have cased the craft to rebound fro the lunar surface which would have ruined everyone's day!If you visit the Cradle of Flight Museum in Long Island you will see an original lander and notice that the ladder doesn't go all the way down the landing leg. The answer is that it hasn't yet landed and assumed the final length.2seat
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Posted 28 May 2009 - 04:43 PM

Now THAT is good trivia!

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Posted 04 June 2009 - 01:07 AM

Another detractor! Or should I say moron??? ''I’m sure my Harley could take one of those Smart Cars any day of the week. In fact, in a collision with a bicycle, it’s even money which vehicle would go down first.'' ................................................. Big vs. small cars; safety and economy Steve Pomper, Seattle Commuter Examiner June 3, 4:28 PM Let’s discuss a dichotomy, which has existed probably since more than one size of car was available from which to select. The dichotomy involves safety vs. economy. While smaller cars in general provide better fuel economy, larger cars typically provide a safer mode of transportation. The dichotomy explodes in our faces when some of our political leaders advocate for “more fuel efficient and safer cars.” While this is laudable in theory, the evidence has shown that an emphasis on smaller over larger has resulted in thousands of needless roadway deaths over the past three decades or so. Now as good as automobile manufacturing materials and engineering may be, until we discover some sort of Star Trek-breakthrough, in general, smaller amounts to better fuel efficiency, but bigger equals safer cars. We all make choices and decide how much risk we’re willing to accept. I don’t know about you, but if I’m helping my kid decide on his or her first car, I’m not opting for one of those so-called, “Smart Cars,” over, let’s say, an Escalade or H2. Okay, perhaps that’s overkill, but you get my point. Every time I see some poor driver scrunched into one of those “cars,” which amounts basically to a seat precariously attached to four wheels and an engine wrapped by a flimsy shell, I imagine a Road Warrior-type scene, the highway littered with tiny cars flattened like Coke cans, but larger vehicles blissfully unaware that any collision has occurred. Now, as you all know, I ride a motorcycle so I know what you’re thinking: Who is he to talk? But, as small as those cars are, they aren’t nearly as nimble as a motorcycle, and besides—I’m sure my Harley could take one of those Smart Cars any day of the week. In fact, in a collision with a bicycle, it’s even money which vehicle would go down first. But seriously folks, forget smart cars and instead make smart choices. Maybe for you that choice will be to purchase a Smart Car (it’s your right, your body, and your money), or a big, bad, gas-guzzlin’ Expedition (for the same reasons). Most likely your choice will fall somewhere in between. Either way, keep an eye on your congressional representatives, and make sure they understand it’s important that Americans retain their choices—all of their many choices. ............................................. Source.
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Posted 04 June 2009 - 03:40 AM

Safe the American auto industry.
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Posted 26 June 2009 - 04:13 AM

Lot's of people are taking liberties with the Ins Inst ''study'' ................................................ How Smart Is It? Steering You Right • With Sharon Peters • June 24, 2009 Q: I love the idea of that new little Smart car. My daughter's coming home for the summer and with all the running around she has to do for her summer job as a wedding-planner assistant, I think it would be great to get terrific mileage, not to mention the parking advantage such a tiny little car offers. In the fall, I'd use it to run errands and drive the 12 miles to work every day. Still, I'm worried that it's not safe. What do you think? A: Well, there's no question that tiny cars don't fare very well in crashes with much larger vehicles. And almost everything is a much larger vehicle when compared to a Smart ForTwo. The crash disadvantage is a reality based in physics. It was also the focal point of a recent report by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, the group that does those much-publicized crash tests. Although the car meets all safety standards, it received poor ratings for impact protection when crashed into by a standard-size car traveling at 40 miles per hour. One of the reasons, the IIHS said, was the lack of extra crushable metal up front to help absorb the impact. It must also be pointed out that two other almost-as-tiny cars, the Honda Fit and the Toyota Yaris, also fared poorly in the IIHS' frontal-impact tests. All of the manufacturers of the little cars disputed the results, saying crash simulation was conducted in a way that bore little resemblance to real-world driving, calling the 40 mph front-to-front crash "rare and extreme." It's worth noting, too, the IIHS says, that the death rate in mini cars involved in single-vehicle crashes in 2007 was 35 per 1 million, which is three times higher than the rate in very large cars and twice as high as the rate in midsize cars. So that's what is said about the safety of mini cars and safety is what you asked about. We all have to make our own decisions about how we prioritize our hierarchy of car features and standards, however. ............................. Source.
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Posted 26 June 2009 - 01:17 PM

It's worth noting, too, the IIHS says, that the death rate in mini cars involved in single-vehicle crashes in 2007 was 35 per 1 million, which is three times higher than the rate in very large cars and twice as high as the rate in midsize cars.

Ummmm.... why only quote the "single-vehicle" stats? If their tests were truly indicative of the safety of the car in crashes with other cars, then they would have used that stat as well.... One should also recognize that the statistic came from the NHTSA, and pre-dates the smart car introduction to the US.




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