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@  Mike T : (25 May 2015 - 09:43 PM) ouch. We stayed at the Fairmont Monte Carlo and every other Fairmont I have stayed at was better! Still it was fun having the RCZ pulled up outside the main entrance.
@  Francesco : (25 May 2015 - 09:42 PM) http://www.crystalcr...CF-BB&YEAR=2015
@  Francesco : (25 May 2015 - 09:39 PM) Anchored off Monaco for the weekend, tenders to Fontvieille, three different grandstands, "Formula 1 Paddock Club®”, Ferrari paddocks, Pirelli hospitality area, top of Yacht Club... This shore excursion was a bucket-lister for sure. US$15k pp
@  Francesco : (25 May 2015 - 09:31 PM) A friend who works at Google went this weekend. Hopped a Monaco GP cruise aboard Crystal from Lisbon-Barcelona-Monaco (Fontvieille)-Rome
@  Mike T : (25 May 2015 - 08:03 PM) Driving that course is fun in a street car, like the Circuit Gilles-Villeneuve. In an F-1 car I can imagine the frustration.
@  Francesco : (25 May 2015 - 07:40 PM) Rascasse is the only real passing area, after Piscine.
@  marchanna : (25 May 2015 - 08:47 AM) I'm usually good for watching a few laps, but then I get bored. I would prefer to be in the race.
@  Leadwing : (25 May 2015 - 07:33 AM) Monaco is a horrible place to try and pass. For most of the track, only the extremely brave (or stupid) try it on the track. Most will try to 'undercut' during a pitstop. That said, Lewis Hamilton's crew really screwed things up for him.
@  Mike T : (24 May 2015 - 08:46 PM) But it was cool to see JPM win the 500 again, it was a great drive
@  Mike T : (24 May 2015 - 06:31 PM) Monaco sucks at the best of times - this year it hit a new low
@  jwight : (24 May 2015 - 05:41 PM) Somehow the parade left Lewis Hamilton out...
@  Mike T : (24 May 2015 - 12:16 PM) Great Indy 500 today, in contrast with the dismal F1 Monaco parade.
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@  FlossyTheSmart : (21 May 2015 - 06:48 AM) You can now also click on the number of comments and it will take you to the shop page with the comments on it
@  FlossyTheSmart : (21 May 2015 - 06:36 AM) If you click on the shop name, it will take you to a page just for that shop, with the full details. I'll make the comment count a link to the page as well.
@  smart65 : (21 May 2015 - 06:28 AM) How can comments be accessed in Service Options?
@  Mike T : (20 May 2015 - 11:39 AM) PM sent of manual excerpt
@  Mike T : (20 May 2015 - 11:37 AM) It's in the owners manual all right
@  Huronlad : (20 May 2015 - 08:47 AM) There are numerous threads about the "three bars of death", make use of the forum search feature and do some reading.
@  1EGRBVR : (20 May 2015 - 06:39 AM) Thanks. I see nothing in the owners manual.
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@  Mike T : (20 May 2015 - 06:31 AM) Gheck your owners manual, it is a gearbox fault.
@  1EGRBVR : (20 May 2015 - 06:07 AM) On the instrument cluster where the LED shows the gear you are in or A for Automatic, I am showing 3 vertical lines instead going across.  Has anyone else encountered this?   This happened after I changed the rear signal light.
@  Mike T : (19 May 2015 - 08:13 PM) Le Club 404 and some private sector guys in Europe are picking up on this big-time.
@  marchanna : (19 May 2015 - 04:38 PM) That makes good sense. Do you hope to get service parts made or custom built?
@  Mike T : (19 May 2015 - 03:07 PM) Strength in numbers....parts reproductions are more likely if we know there are 2000 or more coupes and cabriolets left...plus I have wanted to know this (how many are left) since 1977 when I first wanted to buy one.
@  marchanna : (19 May 2015 - 08:27 AM) Good stuff! Just out of curiosity, is there a practical purpose for the registry or is it just for fun?
@  Mike T : (18 May 2015 - 07:57 PM) Got some new 404s for the Registry, boo yeah!
@  marchanna : (18 May 2015 - 04:04 PM) Sup?
@  marchanna : (15 May 2015 - 04:06 AM) Haha. I just watched that skit last night.

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#1 shakey

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Posted 02 September 2009 - 07:15 AM

Good Day Everyone,I have a 2008 Passion with 37,000 km on it. I am going in for an A service next week and in my service manual it says that the spark plugs should be replaced at 45,000 km. Has anyone had MB do this for them, and if so what is the cost associated with this replacement?Thanks in advance,Shakey

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Posted 02 September 2009 - 06:12 PM

This is what Mercedes will charge you at Weber Motors in Edmonton, should be somewhat similar where you are. The spark plugs themselves were $14.72 each (a total of $44.16 just for the plugs) and the labour was $70.20. So the grand total was $120.08 with tax. I figure next time I'll probably scout out the plugs somewhere else (they should definitely be cheaper) and do it myself if it isn't too awkward to access the plugs in the engine compartment. If you find plugs somewhere else post the brand/price and your thoughts regarding them. I'm sure there are others with the same questions. Hope that helps and thanks.Craig
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#3 shakey

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 08:12 AM

This is what Mercedes will charge you at Weber Motors in Edmonton, should be somewhat similar where you are. The spark plugs themselves were $14.72 each (a total of $44.16 just for the plugs) and the labour was $70.20. So the grand total was $120.08 with tax. I figure next time I'll probably scout out the plugs somewhere else (they should definitely be cheaper) and do it myself if it isn't too awkward to access the plugs in the engine compartment. If you find plugs somewhere else post the brand/price and your thoughts regarding them. I'm sure there are others with the same questions. Hope that helps and thanks. Craig

Thanks for the reply Craig. I'm not much of a DIY guy but I'll see next Friday what they plan on charging me, I'll post the price after. Thanks again. Shakey

#4 Fred J

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 09:17 AM

I would be more concerned by the frequency of the replacement. Today's plugs last far longer than the Champion Plugs of old did. I have a Suzuki V-6 with 196,000 on the original plugs and a Ford F150 with 100,000+ on them. No indications so far that they need replacing. Conservatively I wouldn't even think about the Smart ones for at least 100,00 - 150,000 kms. If a plug eventually fouls up or misfires, it is not something that will let you down on the road, therefore if its not broken, don't fix it. In due course a Tech's work station probably will have a box full of used, perfectly good plugs.Just my opinion from some one who refuses to waste money needlessly.

Edited by Fred J, 03 September 2009 - 09:19 AM.


#5 shakey

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 09:38 AM

I would be more concerned by the frequency of the replacement. Today's plugs last far longer than the Champion Plugs of old did. I have a Suzuki V-6 with 196,000 on the original plugs and a Ford F150 with 100,000+ on them. No indications so far that they need replacing. Conservatively I wouldn't even think about the Smart ones for at least 100,00 - 150,000 kms. If a plug eventually fouls up or misfires, it is not something that will let you down on the road, therefore if its not broken, don't fix it. In due course a Tech's work station probably will have a box full of used, perfectly good plugs. Just my opinion from some one who refuses to waste money needlessly.

There has been no indication of a bad plug at all. I was just going by what the manual says for replacement. If I refuse to have them replaced (I could use the cash in my pocket right now) would this void my warranty?

#6 Fred J

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 09:45 AM

"There has been no indication of a bad plug at all. I was just going by what the manual says for replacement." Precisely my point, however you expressed it far more succinctly.

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 09:47 AM

Greetings:On the other hand, if M-B recommends replacing the plugs and you elect not to, you might risk having a warranty claim denied somewhere down the road. Maybe replacing the gas engines is just a whole lot cheaper than the diesels, but for such tiny little things (smart engines) they sure cost big bucks.Plugs do last much longer now with cleaner fuels, precise manufacturing methods, and sophisticated electronic fuel injection systems. Plugs can stay in for ridiculously long times, but sometimes those plugs get very attached to the cylinder heads in which they are installed. My guess is that replacing the plugs a few times, even at M-B rates, will prove more cost effective than repairing or (gasp!) replacing a ruined cylinder head.If you don't plan on keeping the car, ignore the doomsayers like me. Preventative maintenance usually benefits the next owner of the vehicle. By the way, selling your car is much easier if all the services have been done and records kept. Then again, some people don't mind throwing the dice when buying a used car... if the price is right.Ian
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Posted 03 September 2009 - 10:14 AM

I would be more concerned by the frequency of the replacement. Today's plugs last far longer than the Champion Plugs of old did. I have a Suzuki V-6 with 196,000 on the original plugs and a Ford F150 with 100,000+ on them. No indications so far that they need replacing. Conservatively I wouldn't even think about the Smart ones for at least 100,00 - 150,000 kms. If a plug eventually fouls up or misfires, it is not something that will let you down on the road, therefore if its not broken, don't fix it. In due course a Tech's work station probably will have a box full of used, perfectly good plugs. Just my opinion from some one who refuses to waste money needlessly.

I would not recommend following this advise. How long the plugs last depends mostly on what KIND of plugs the car uses. Copper plugs will typically only last 48k. Platinum and Iridium plugs can last up to 200k, but some vehicles require more frequent replacement. If you try and take the wrong plug past what it is designed for, you could be asking for trouble. A bad misfire due to a worn plug can quickly destroy a catalytic converter, or a worn plug with too large of a gap will damage ignition coils. A burned out cat can run in the thousands of dollars and would not be covered by warranty. Just saying, be careful if you decide the engineers that designed the car are way to strict about certain maintenace items. Note: I have seen a bad plug melt a catalytic converter down in as little as 20 mins of driving.

If a plug eventually fouls up or misfires, it is not something that will let you down on the road, therefore if its not broken, don't fix it.

Actually, yes it can let you down on the side of the road, and the repair could be in the thousands.

Edited by MightyMouseTech, 03 September 2009 - 10:19 AM.

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#9 shakey

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 10:20 AM

I would not recommend following this advise. How long the plugs last depends mostly on what KIND of plugs the car uses. Copper plugs will typically only last 48k. Platinum and Iridium plugs can last up to 200k, but some vehicles require more frequent replacement. If you try and take the wrong plug past what it is designed for, you could be asking for trouble. A bad misfire due to a worn plug can quickly destroy a catalytic converter, or a worn plug with too large of a gap will damage ignition coils. A burned out cat can run in the thousands of dollars and would not be covered by warranty. Just saying, be careful if you decide the engineers that designed the car are way to strict about certain maintenace items. Note: I have seen a bad plug melt a catalytic converter down in as little as 20 mins of driving.

Thanks for the advice, the plugs will be replaced :) I don't want to take any chances on something really bad happening. Shakey




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