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@  Mike T : (29 August 2015 - 07:33 AM) I've no idea! Sorry, I rarely went there anyway. I think they had "issues". Driving to Banff today in the rain in prep for a 290 km bike ride from Jasper to Banff. Cheers
@  Francesco : (28 August 2015 - 11:24 PM) Ah. Just found Martin's tweet from January, but its link is dead so I have no details of why the club was dissolved
@  Francesco : (28 August 2015 - 10:49 PM) Hey Mike, what happened to CsQ? I haven't logged in in over a year, but it seems the lights aren't on...?
@  Francesco : (28 August 2015 - 10:39 PM) keep you eyes on the classifieds here, SCoA and CsQ, as well as Kijiji. Deals on rims pop up from time to time.
@  Francesco : (28 August 2015 - 10:36 PM) and yes, you'll find even with a one inch drop there is plenty of arch gap. I'm -1.25 in the front and -1.4 out back and it could go lower (but would drive balls). I hate the useless stanced look.
@  Francesco : (28 August 2015 - 10:34 PM) Figure a good $1400 or more to your door.
@  Francesco : (28 August 2015 - 10:33 PM) Ouch. The shipping will be more than the (discounted) 19% VAT, and then you'll likely get a collect bill from Canada Post for GST/PST and duties.
@  Surturiel : (28 August 2015 - 05:15 PM) I found these: http://www.rs-parts....r-smart450.html
@  Surturiel : (28 August 2015 - 05:15 PM) Question: With the lowered springs (Eibach, 25mm), can I still put a set of 16" on my limousine?
@  Surturiel : (28 August 2015 - 05:14 PM) I'll see what I can do...
@  Francesco : (28 August 2015 - 08:56 AM) Check with Fast Eddy to see if he'll rent you the correct tool for cheap.
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:43 PM) (like copper or aluminium)
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:43 PM) I'll try with something hard, but not as hard as steel
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:42 PM) tolsen has posted about it before. Personally I thought a couple hours of tinkering was time better spent elsewhere, and the $50 for the tool well spent
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:41 PM) you need a hardwood, soft won't do
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:41 PM) no worries, got the idea
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:40 PM) the hole being the exact size of the rod, not the disc. Sorry about the syntax
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:39 PM) A wooden clamp would work well. Drill a hole in a wooden disc the exact size of the strut rod's diameter, then cut the disc in half and add flats
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:13 PM) leather is too soft, as is rubber. I was thinking about either copper wire wound around the strut or tinfoil. and a vise Grip
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:11 PM) An old leather belt might work better, but I had no luck with it
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:10 PM) (I was thinking about a vise grip and tinfoil. you know, tinfoil is aluminum, and can potentailly protect the shock, and a vbise grip is FAR more useful than the clamp, but this is me trying to Mcgiver a solution, as usual...)
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:07 PM) ah, ok, then
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:06 PM) The strut spins freely, you need the special clamping tool to provide flats for a big open ended wrench (with this tool 47 mm)
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:03 PM) Can't I use LOTS of wd40, a t47 bit and a breaker bar?
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:01 PM) The strut clamp is a necessity. Worth every cent I paid -- making something similar myself would have taken me more time than I'd like to spend in order to save the few bucks.
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:00 PM) c'mon! I'll use twine. And optimism.
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 01:59 PM) I honestly didn't need them on the broken spring, and while handy for the lowering springs, not necessary.
@  dmoonen : (27 August 2015 - 08:06 AM) Spring compresssors are still needed. .Tolson why must you take the hard way to everything
@  Surturiel : (26 August 2015 - 03:59 PM) nah, the springs are broken, and I can use the ye old zip-tie trick. But since I'm going to put eibachs (-25mm) I won't worry.]
@  tolsen : (26 August 2015 - 03:43 PM) Clamp type spring compressors should not be used since the damage both protective coating and spring.
@  dmoonen : (26 August 2015 - 11:27 AM) The spring compressors you can borrow at Canadian tire
@  dmoonen : (26 August 2015 - 11:27 AM) I have the Mercedes strut clamp you can borrow just pay shipping and if you break it you buy it. Pm me
@  Surturiel : (26 August 2015 - 08:51 AM) thanks, guys! And... does anyone in Vancouver area have the clamp so I can "rent"?
@  dmoonen : (25 August 2015 - 06:43 PM) To and from SK*. I'm just waiting on some bits to finish the Golf build
@  dmoonen : (25 August 2015 - 06:41 PM) Still driving it, drove it to and from and average 4.7l/100l loaded to the brim.
@  Francesco : (25 August 2015 - 06:19 PM) Dillen how much did you end up getting for the wagon?
@  Francesco : (25 August 2015 - 05:13 PM) And if replacing the plastic bellows (dust boots) on the struts, cut a good 1.5" off the bottoms of them or they'll just compress around the stops and get in the way of the clamp tool
@  Francesco : (25 August 2015 - 05:11 PM) also, take a new knife blade and cut about an inch off the bump stops unless you love bottoming out on small bumps.
@  Francesco : (25 August 2015 - 05:09 PM) wont need it for the Eibachs
@  Francesco : (25 August 2015 - 05:09 PM) If the springs are broken at the top as suspected, the spring compressor might not be necessary.
@  dmoonen : (25 August 2015 - 04:49 PM) And a normal spring compressor
@  dmoonen : (25 August 2015 - 04:46 PM) Strut clamp tool*
@  dmoonen : (25 August 2015 - 04:46 PM) Lots of penetrating oil on the top nut and see if you can borrow a strut tool of you don't have the proper air tools
@  Surturiel : (25 August 2015 - 01:08 PM) Now, let's see if I can replace them without getting myself killed...
@  Surturiel : (25 August 2015 - 01:07 PM) Got the Eibach springs!
@  dmoonen : (25 August 2015 - 12:29 PM) Lol
@  Francesco : (25 August 2015 - 10:18 AM) ok, maybe MikeT
@  Francesco : (25 August 2015 - 10:18 AM) Who doesn't? Hehehe
@  dmoonen : (25 August 2015 - 07:46 AM) sounds like you have a decent to do list. .
@  Surturiel : (23 August 2015 - 08:00 PM) Perhaps even throw a set of powerflex purple bushings, and a set of 16" "space" wheels, but not now...)

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#1 shakey

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Posted 02 September 2009 - 07:15 AM

Good Day Everyone,I have a 2008 Passion with 37,000 km on it. I am going in for an A service next week and in my service manual it says that the spark plugs should be replaced at 45,000 km. Has anyone had MB do this for them, and if so what is the cost associated with this replacement?Thanks in advance,Shakey

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Posted 02 September 2009 - 06:12 PM

This is what Mercedes will charge you at Weber Motors in Edmonton, should be somewhat similar where you are. The spark plugs themselves were $14.72 each (a total of $44.16 just for the plugs) and the labour was $70.20. So the grand total was $120.08 with tax. I figure next time I'll probably scout out the plugs somewhere else (they should definitely be cheaper) and do it myself if it isn't too awkward to access the plugs in the engine compartment. If you find plugs somewhere else post the brand/price and your thoughts regarding them. I'm sure there are others with the same questions. Hope that helps and thanks.Craig
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#3 shakey

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 08:12 AM

This is what Mercedes will charge you at Weber Motors in Edmonton, should be somewhat similar where you are. The spark plugs themselves were $14.72 each (a total of $44.16 just for the plugs) and the labour was $70.20. So the grand total was $120.08 with tax. I figure next time I'll probably scout out the plugs somewhere else (they should definitely be cheaper) and do it myself if it isn't too awkward to access the plugs in the engine compartment. If you find plugs somewhere else post the brand/price and your thoughts regarding them. I'm sure there are others with the same questions. Hope that helps and thanks. Craig

Thanks for the reply Craig. I'm not much of a DIY guy but I'll see next Friday what they plan on charging me, I'll post the price after. Thanks again. Shakey

#4 Fred J

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 09:17 AM

I would be more concerned by the frequency of the replacement. Today's plugs last far longer than the Champion Plugs of old did. I have a Suzuki V-6 with 196,000 on the original plugs and a Ford F150 with 100,000+ on them. No indications so far that they need replacing. Conservatively I wouldn't even think about the Smart ones for at least 100,00 - 150,000 kms. If a plug eventually fouls up or misfires, it is not something that will let you down on the road, therefore if its not broken, don't fix it. In due course a Tech's work station probably will have a box full of used, perfectly good plugs.Just my opinion from some one who refuses to waste money needlessly.

Edited by Fred J, 03 September 2009 - 09:19 AM.


#5 shakey

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 09:38 AM

I would be more concerned by the frequency of the replacement. Today's plugs last far longer than the Champion Plugs of old did. I have a Suzuki V-6 with 196,000 on the original plugs and a Ford F150 with 100,000+ on them. No indications so far that they need replacing. Conservatively I wouldn't even think about the Smart ones for at least 100,00 - 150,000 kms. If a plug eventually fouls up or misfires, it is not something that will let you down on the road, therefore if its not broken, don't fix it. In due course a Tech's work station probably will have a box full of used, perfectly good plugs. Just my opinion from some one who refuses to waste money needlessly.

There has been no indication of a bad plug at all. I was just going by what the manual says for replacement. If I refuse to have them replaced (I could use the cash in my pocket right now) would this void my warranty?

#6 Fred J

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 09:45 AM

"There has been no indication of a bad plug at all. I was just going by what the manual says for replacement." Precisely my point, however you expressed it far more succinctly.

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 09:47 AM

Greetings:On the other hand, if M-B recommends replacing the plugs and you elect not to, you might risk having a warranty claim denied somewhere down the road. Maybe replacing the gas engines is just a whole lot cheaper than the diesels, but for such tiny little things (smart engines) they sure cost big bucks.Plugs do last much longer now with cleaner fuels, precise manufacturing methods, and sophisticated electronic fuel injection systems. Plugs can stay in for ridiculously long times, but sometimes those plugs get very attached to the cylinder heads in which they are installed. My guess is that replacing the plugs a few times, even at M-B rates, will prove more cost effective than repairing or (gasp!) replacing a ruined cylinder head.If you don't plan on keeping the car, ignore the doomsayers like me. Preventative maintenance usually benefits the next owner of the vehicle. By the way, selling your car is much easier if all the services have been done and records kept. Then again, some people don't mind throwing the dice when buying a used car... if the price is right.Ian
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Posted 03 September 2009 - 10:14 AM

I would be more concerned by the frequency of the replacement. Today's plugs last far longer than the Champion Plugs of old did. I have a Suzuki V-6 with 196,000 on the original plugs and a Ford F150 with 100,000+ on them. No indications so far that they need replacing. Conservatively I wouldn't even think about the Smart ones for at least 100,00 - 150,000 kms. If a plug eventually fouls up or misfires, it is not something that will let you down on the road, therefore if its not broken, don't fix it. In due course a Tech's work station probably will have a box full of used, perfectly good plugs. Just my opinion from some one who refuses to waste money needlessly.

I would not recommend following this advise. How long the plugs last depends mostly on what KIND of plugs the car uses. Copper plugs will typically only last 48k. Platinum and Iridium plugs can last up to 200k, but some vehicles require more frequent replacement. If you try and take the wrong plug past what it is designed for, you could be asking for trouble. A bad misfire due to a worn plug can quickly destroy a catalytic converter, or a worn plug with too large of a gap will damage ignition coils. A burned out cat can run in the thousands of dollars and would not be covered by warranty. Just saying, be careful if you decide the engineers that designed the car are way to strict about certain maintenace items. Note: I have seen a bad plug melt a catalytic converter down in as little as 20 mins of driving.

If a plug eventually fouls up or misfires, it is not something that will let you down on the road, therefore if its not broken, don't fix it.

Actually, yes it can let you down on the side of the road, and the repair could be in the thousands.

Edited by MightyMouseTech, 03 September 2009 - 10:19 AM.

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#9 shakey

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 10:20 AM

I would not recommend following this advise. How long the plugs last depends mostly on what KIND of plugs the car uses. Copper plugs will typically only last 48k. Platinum and Iridium plugs can last up to 200k, but some vehicles require more frequent replacement. If you try and take the wrong plug past what it is designed for, you could be asking for trouble. A bad misfire due to a worn plug can quickly destroy a catalytic converter, or a worn plug with too large of a gap will damage ignition coils. A burned out cat can run in the thousands of dollars and would not be covered by warranty. Just saying, be careful if you decide the engineers that designed the car are way to strict about certain maintenace items. Note: I have seen a bad plug melt a catalytic converter down in as little as 20 mins of driving.

Thanks for the advice, the plugs will be replaced :) I don't want to take any chances on something really bad happening. Shakey




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