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@  Mike T : (24 March 2015 - 06:21 PM) If they and you are sure of the diagnosis, it's a good idea to go ahead.
@  Chicklet : (24 March 2015 - 11:21 AM) Love my little car but lately has a big appetite on expensive parts! Haha
@  Chicklet : (24 March 2015 - 11:20 AM) This question is about the oil pump chain problem from a couple of days ago. Heard that the sound(a chain sort of rattle when you let off the accelerator) could also be from the clutch plate. Does this sound like something that is a possibility. MB in Nanaimo wants about $2200.00 to change the oil pump change. Just trying to get a little more feed back on others who have had some same issues.
@  Bessy : (24 March 2015 - 11:16 AM) Hey!
@  Chicklet : (24 March 2015 - 11:15 AM) Hi
@  dmoonen : (22 March 2015 - 05:52 PM) Mhm the turbo does sounds off. . like its saying help me.
@  Mike T : (22 March 2015 - 12:18 PM) Yeah it is whistling too much due to the bent fin.
@  David_18 : (22 March 2015 - 12:13 PM) Just a lot of whistle for me.
@  kdubya : (22 March 2015 - 12:11 PM) hmmmm, sounds like mine.....maybe I should check. :( I did hear a buzzing I think. Is that what you meant?
@  David_18 : (22 March 2015 - 12:01 PM) Listen :)
@  David_18 : (22 March 2015 - 12:00 PM) Nothing related with the starting problem. It just make more sound than usual.
@  kdubya : (22 March 2015 - 11:50 AM) If its been like that for a while and works great what makes you think something is wrong with it now?
@  David_18 : (22 March 2015 - 11:48 AM) I know, it is like that since 4-5 years, but it still work great.
@  Mike T : (22 March 2015 - 11:41 AM) Yup that turbo has eaten something, very nasty!
@  kdubya : (22 March 2015 - 11:29 AM) somethings def wrong. That's how the turbo looks in my parts car that had an oil pump failure. And it looks like one of your fins are bent
@  David_18 : (22 March 2015 - 10:34 AM) I think something wrong with my turbo... https://lh4.googleus...0322_133347.jpg
@  Francesco : (22 March 2015 - 08:35 AM) gawd I hate that stuff. She gets it done every year. And her 12 yr old car w/60k has more signs of rust than our 13 yr old Accord w/160k that's never been rust treated.
@  Francesco : (22 March 2015 - 08:33 AM) "Rust proofing" places do worse. Mom's Corolla was overheating last summer. Popped the hood, there was a half inch of black (commercial) rust-proof spray on both sides of her rad.
@  dmoonen : (21 March 2015 - 03:14 PM) Which is still a pain . . and alllllllot of time
@  Francesco : (21 March 2015 - 01:33 PM) You need a cooling fin comb
@  dmoonen : (21 March 2015 - 01:24 PM) Yeah it flattens the fins causing over heating conditions. . . Not ideal
@  Mike T : (21 March 2015 - 09:57 AM) never use high pressure washers on a radiator or intercooler!
@  Msdumo : (21 March 2015 - 09:50 AM) msdumo, a newbie trying out shout
@  Clancy : (21 March 2015 - 08:29 AM) When I got my smart everything was clean & shiny behind the grill at 9000 Km. Now at 12000 Km it is dirty & grimey from the road. Is it OK to take off the front grill & spray shampoo & rinse there at the coin-op?
@  RoadHound : (21 March 2015 - 06:01 AM) http://www.amazon.co...Z3rL&ref=plSrch
@  RoadHound : (21 March 2015 - 05:59 AM) Found this on amazon and I don't know where to put it. http://www.amazon.co...a9LL&ref=plSrch
@  Chicklet : (20 March 2015 - 03:25 PM) Thanks, that good information. Will check it out.
@  Mike T : (20 March 2015 - 12:01 PM) OK with that further information I suspect the oil pump drive chain. Take the oil filter out, cut it open and look for metal flakes inside.
@  Chicklet : (20 March 2015 - 11:49 AM) Thanks Mike T for responding. It almost sounds more grinding/clicking like a chain having too much play. Never gearing up just when slowing or gearing down. Could there be filing in the transmission or low on fluid do this. Would a transmission flush be the first coarse of action. Thanks for your thoughts.
@  Mike T : (19 March 2015 - 07:46 PM) I am thinking of an exhaust leak.
@  Chicklet : (19 March 2015 - 03:34 PM) Sorry posted before I could say what the problem is. When my car shifts down it sounds like jake brakes on a large truck going sown hill( maybe not that loud thought) This occurs when I let off the gas. Doesn't sound good. I do not have problems shifting or anything just noisy when it shifts down. Could transmission fluid be low?
@  Chicklet : (19 March 2015 - 03:29 PM) Its been awhile since I have been here, but I having an issue not sure where i should start without incurring undo exspensive.
@  Chicklet : (19 March 2015 - 03:28 PM) Hi,

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#1 shakey

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Posted 02 September 2009 - 07:15 AM

Good Day Everyone,I have a 2008 Passion with 37,000 km on it. I am going in for an A service next week and in my service manual it says that the spark plugs should be replaced at 45,000 km. Has anyone had MB do this for them, and if so what is the cost associated with this replacement?Thanks in advance,Shakey

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Posted 02 September 2009 - 06:12 PM

This is what Mercedes will charge you at Weber Motors in Edmonton, should be somewhat similar where you are. The spark plugs themselves were $14.72 each (a total of $44.16 just for the plugs) and the labour was $70.20. So the grand total was $120.08 with tax. I figure next time I'll probably scout out the plugs somewhere else (they should definitely be cheaper) and do it myself if it isn't too awkward to access the plugs in the engine compartment. If you find plugs somewhere else post the brand/price and your thoughts regarding them. I'm sure there are others with the same questions. Hope that helps and thanks.Craig
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#3 shakey

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 08:12 AM

This is what Mercedes will charge you at Weber Motors in Edmonton, should be somewhat similar where you are. The spark plugs themselves were $14.72 each (a total of $44.16 just for the plugs) and the labour was $70.20. So the grand total was $120.08 with tax. I figure next time I'll probably scout out the plugs somewhere else (they should definitely be cheaper) and do it myself if it isn't too awkward to access the plugs in the engine compartment. If you find plugs somewhere else post the brand/price and your thoughts regarding them. I'm sure there are others with the same questions. Hope that helps and thanks. Craig

Thanks for the reply Craig. I'm not much of a DIY guy but I'll see next Friday what they plan on charging me, I'll post the price after. Thanks again. Shakey

#4 Fred J

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 09:17 AM

I would be more concerned by the frequency of the replacement. Today's plugs last far longer than the Champion Plugs of old did. I have a Suzuki V-6 with 196,000 on the original plugs and a Ford F150 with 100,000+ on them. No indications so far that they need replacing. Conservatively I wouldn't even think about the Smart ones for at least 100,00 - 150,000 kms. If a plug eventually fouls up or misfires, it is not something that will let you down on the road, therefore if its not broken, don't fix it. In due course a Tech's work station probably will have a box full of used, perfectly good plugs.Just my opinion from some one who refuses to waste money needlessly.

Edited by Fred J, 03 September 2009 - 09:19 AM.


#5 shakey

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 09:38 AM

I would be more concerned by the frequency of the replacement. Today's plugs last far longer than the Champion Plugs of old did. I have a Suzuki V-6 with 196,000 on the original plugs and a Ford F150 with 100,000+ on them. No indications so far that they need replacing. Conservatively I wouldn't even think about the Smart ones for at least 100,00 - 150,000 kms. If a plug eventually fouls up or misfires, it is not something that will let you down on the road, therefore if its not broken, don't fix it. In due course a Tech's work station probably will have a box full of used, perfectly good plugs. Just my opinion from some one who refuses to waste money needlessly.

There has been no indication of a bad plug at all. I was just going by what the manual says for replacement. If I refuse to have them replaced (I could use the cash in my pocket right now) would this void my warranty?

#6 Fred J

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 09:45 AM

"There has been no indication of a bad plug at all. I was just going by what the manual says for replacement." Precisely my point, however you expressed it far more succinctly.

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 09:47 AM

Greetings:On the other hand, if M-B recommends replacing the plugs and you elect not to, you might risk having a warranty claim denied somewhere down the road. Maybe replacing the gas engines is just a whole lot cheaper than the diesels, but for such tiny little things (smart engines) they sure cost big bucks.Plugs do last much longer now with cleaner fuels, precise manufacturing methods, and sophisticated electronic fuel injection systems. Plugs can stay in for ridiculously long times, but sometimes those plugs get very attached to the cylinder heads in which they are installed. My guess is that replacing the plugs a few times, even at M-B rates, will prove more cost effective than repairing or (gasp!) replacing a ruined cylinder head.If you don't plan on keeping the car, ignore the doomsayers like me. Preventative maintenance usually benefits the next owner of the vehicle. By the way, selling your car is much easier if all the services have been done and records kept. Then again, some people don't mind throwing the dice when buying a used car... if the price is right.Ian
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Posted 03 September 2009 - 10:14 AM

I would be more concerned by the frequency of the replacement. Today's plugs last far longer than the Champion Plugs of old did. I have a Suzuki V-6 with 196,000 on the original plugs and a Ford F150 with 100,000+ on them. No indications so far that they need replacing. Conservatively I wouldn't even think about the Smart ones for at least 100,00 - 150,000 kms. If a plug eventually fouls up or misfires, it is not something that will let you down on the road, therefore if its not broken, don't fix it. In due course a Tech's work station probably will have a box full of used, perfectly good plugs. Just my opinion from some one who refuses to waste money needlessly.

I would not recommend following this advise. How long the plugs last depends mostly on what KIND of plugs the car uses. Copper plugs will typically only last 48k. Platinum and Iridium plugs can last up to 200k, but some vehicles require more frequent replacement. If you try and take the wrong plug past what it is designed for, you could be asking for trouble. A bad misfire due to a worn plug can quickly destroy a catalytic converter, or a worn plug with too large of a gap will damage ignition coils. A burned out cat can run in the thousands of dollars and would not be covered by warranty. Just saying, be careful if you decide the engineers that designed the car are way to strict about certain maintenace items. Note: I have seen a bad plug melt a catalytic converter down in as little as 20 mins of driving.

If a plug eventually fouls up or misfires, it is not something that will let you down on the road, therefore if its not broken, don't fix it.

Actually, yes it can let you down on the side of the road, and the repair could be in the thousands.

Edited by MightyMouseTech, 03 September 2009 - 10:19 AM.

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#9 shakey

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 10:20 AM

I would not recommend following this advise. How long the plugs last depends mostly on what KIND of plugs the car uses. Copper plugs will typically only last 48k. Platinum and Iridium plugs can last up to 200k, but some vehicles require more frequent replacement. If you try and take the wrong plug past what it is designed for, you could be asking for trouble. A bad misfire due to a worn plug can quickly destroy a catalytic converter, or a worn plug with too large of a gap will damage ignition coils. A burned out cat can run in the thousands of dollars and would not be covered by warranty. Just saying, be careful if you decide the engineers that designed the car are way to strict about certain maintenace items. Note: I have seen a bad plug melt a catalytic converter down in as little as 20 mins of driving.

Thanks for the advice, the plugs will be replaced :) I don't want to take any chances on something really bad happening. Shakey




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