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@  moi : (25 August 2016 - 01:48 PM) London ON Smart Car guru...where r yu?
@  Mike T : (24 August 2016 - 08:38 PM) Yeah because the injectors don't spray fuel at the intake valves, gumming them up is possible. A good thrash from time to time at redline will do wonders.
@  smartzuum : (24 August 2016 - 07:51 PM) Italian tune-ups for DI engines I read, above and beyond good fuel and proper maintenance. Jap engines LOVE to rev.
@  smartzuum : (24 August 2016 - 07:36 PM) Interesting point Mike..... I'm typically a Chevron guy for gas, so not too worried about gas quality itself. But a good reminder to keep the oil VERY clean and do occasional spirited driving as well.... which it got last night on the way back from Penticton on the Coq. Hard to avoid DI engines nowadays I reckon.... the unlimited powertrain warranty for 5 years is comforting....
@  dmoonen : (24 August 2016 - 10:58 AM) Oh yeah 94 octane fuel :/
@  dmoonen : (24 August 2016 - 10:50 AM) Im getting like 17-18mpg right now with the R32. My whole fuel mileage thing just runs off pure smiles per mile now.
@  Mike T : (24 August 2016 - 05:59 AM) Not bad. I would point out that the best I've achieved in the old-tech B 200 is a bit better than that! The Mazda has direct injection. So watch for valve gunk buildup.
@  smartzuum : (23 August 2016 - 11:53 PM) Best tank so far is 5.85 L/100 km in the CX-5.... and seem to be averaging around 6.1 overall..... incredible.... just got back from 2500 km road trip - through the rockies!
@  smart65 : (19 August 2016 - 06:55 AM) Ours has auto though.
@  smart65 : (19 August 2016 - 06:54 AM) Good choice. We've had a similar model since July 2012. No regrets!
@  smartzuum : (18 August 2016 - 09:09 PM) no led lights or navigation screens.... oops....
@  smartzuum : (18 August 2016 - 09:08 PM) 2.0 litre, 155 hp, and thank goodness, no LED lights of van screens on the base model... cruise, stereo, info display, AC.... all I need! It's a wonder you can get something like this still.
@  smartzuum : (18 August 2016 - 09:06 PM) 65 cubic feet cargo room behind the front row with second row flat, a must for me now.....
@  smartzuum : (18 August 2016 - 09:05 PM) Gone is the Volvo V50 T5 FWD automatic.... I got $4500 trade, which with the tax savings got me $5040 of my $5500 total out of pocket on purchase and tax and repairs... not bad for a years driving.... the mazda has a 5 year UNLIMITED kms warranty on the powertrain.... and 3 years unlimited kms bumper to bumper.... unreal. Looks like it can do 6.0 on the highway, just anecdotally from the trip meter in the vehicle, but we'll see soon enough.
@  smartzuum : (18 August 2016 - 09:02 PM) Tuesday night, I spent about 5 hours on the net doing a bit more looking into new vehicles... and long story short, decided by 2 am Wednesday that I was likely to get a new Mazda CX-5 in FWD with a 6 speed manual.... Went into the dealer at 4 Wednesday and was done the deal by 6... picked up the dark grey base model at 1 pm today, and so far, I'm pretty impressed. Therefore, the k has become an m....
@  smartzuum : (18 August 2016 - 08:54 PM) but we've read about this issue before!!!
@  smartzuum : (18 August 2016 - 08:53 PM) what the heck???? how do they screw that up? bad
@  Mike T : (18 August 2016 - 06:42 PM) oh man
@  Surturiel : (18 August 2016 - 10:21 AM) (but they asked to send them the bill, so they will refund me)
@  Surturiel : (18 August 2016 - 10:20 AM) now I need to fix my front fender that they broke because they put the rear wheels on the right and the front ones on the left...
@  Surturiel : (18 August 2016 - 10:19 AM) the guys at kaltire paid me 40 for all of them T.T
@  Surturiel : (18 August 2016 - 10:19 AM) I had to leave them behind, Mike T. nowhere to put them...
@  cadillacman : (15 August 2016 - 04:49 PM) or go to http://clubsmartcar....showtopic=28124
@  cadillacman : (15 August 2016 - 04:49 PM) pick any topic on this forum and then replace the topic # at then end of the url
@  moi : (15 August 2016 - 12:51 PM) this website and,I are not getting along at all...methinks I am just not good with computers. LOL. I need a tutor or something.
@  moi : (15 August 2016 - 12:50 PM) how do I look up topic 28124?
@  moi : (15 August 2016 - 12:50 PM) Cadillacman
@  Mike T : (14 August 2016 - 06:05 PM) glad you made it.
@  Mike T : (14 August 2016 - 06:05 PM) Left near Dryden?
@  Mike T : (14 August 2016 - 06:05 PM) What did you do with the three good tires you had before?
@  Surturiel : (14 August 2016 - 11:36 AM) Unfortunately I bought them from Kaltire, and though they replace them no questions asked, the nearest store is in Ontario...
@  Surturiel : (14 August 2016 - 11:35 AM) Now I need to replace the intercooler and find a way to trade these 185/60s...
@  Surturiel : (14 August 2016 - 11:34 AM) So, we (me and the car) survived the trip! I'm in Halifax!
@  Surturiel : (14 August 2016 - 11:34 AM) Hey, people
@  moi : (14 August 2016 - 11:27 AM) Consider it done!! Membership is inexpensive and and I am way below novice. Love the car very much but am too inexperienced to deal with these things.
@  cadillacman : (14 August 2016 - 08:00 AM) see topic 28124 on this forum
@  cadillacman : (14 August 2016 - 07:54 AM) smartest tool you can purchase at this point is a membership to http://www.evilution.co.uk/
@  Mike T : (14 August 2016 - 07:49 AM) Unscrew the SAM from the front edge of the dash - T-10. Then it's easier to pull the whole thing down and get at the top side where all the connectors are. They're all labelled, molded into the SAM casing. N11-3 with the brown plug.
@  moi : (14 August 2016 - 07:43 AM) PS...I gotta read up on how one discerns which 'connector' is the right one...I imagine there is something already on the forum to show how to identify each connector.
@  moi : (14 August 2016 - 07:40 AM) You guys are much appreciated by this pure amateur.
@  moi : (14 August 2016 - 07:39 AM) I wish someone knowledgeable lived closer to Owen Sound..
@  moi : (14 August 2016 - 07:38 AM) It's interesting that when I started to remove the cardboard cover that hides the SAM the actual unit was already unclipped and dangling...the dealer I got it from must have been monkeying about in there. The thing cranks rapidly but won't start and there is no fuel pump sound.
@  Mike T : (13 August 2016 - 10:07 AM) Yes I should have! oops
@  cadillacman : (13 August 2016 - 09:54 AM) I think Mike should have said N11-3
@  Mike T : (13 August 2016 - 09:54 AM) For clarity, what I called "connector" below in the first post is actually the whole plug or plug head (brown plastic) but elsewhere it means the single electrical contact within the plug.
@  Mike T : (13 August 2016 - 09:29 AM) With respect to replacing the plug head, the plastic bit will be enough but if the corrosion or heat damage on the female connector is too bad you can replace that single connector.
@  Mike T : (13 August 2016 - 09:28 AM) Take out the N-11-2 connector and look for melting. If there is melting, if you are lucky replacing the plug head (repair kit available from Mercedes) will revive the SAM. And that plus both headlight circuits require an external relay to protect the SAM. There are threads in the operations and maintenance forum about this.
@  moi : (13 August 2016 - 09:10 AM) PS....so...how does one clean those "plugs"? Spray? Sandpaper? Mini wire brush? Shotgun?? Just kidding on hat one....maybe.
@  moi : (13 August 2016 - 09:08 AM) Mike T. Thanks very much for the comeback. My little Smart Passion will crank over vigorously but NO sound of the fuel pump running. Methinks it is time for me and "Sam" to have a visit....
@  smartzuum : (12 August 2016 - 09:26 PM) Last chance on canada1 at $6500 before I roll it over 100km soon.... :) If you are quick, you can do the honour!

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#1 campbellriverpassion

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Posted 13 October 2009 - 04:47 PM

My ESP warning light came on steady this morning after I accelerated from a traffic light, slight incline, wet roads. It felt like the tires may have spun a bit on acceleration. I pulled over a half a block later and turned off the ignition, waited a few seconds, then did an unlock (as if to clear the immobilizer-not sure if that would help...). Car started, light was not on. I drove to work for 45 minutes, no events. I started the car to return home and the ESP light was on again. I tried the same reset twice on my drive home but the light remained on. I got into my garage, and tried another reset, but this time, I waited a minute before I did an unlock. After about 30 secs I heard a relay click (from the SAM) and then I did the unlock and started it with no light.I realize that the ESP should come on and flash when activated, is this steady light just a hiccup? Any thoughts or experiences with same problem?Thanks!Rod
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Posted 13 October 2009 - 05:08 PM

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Posted 13 October 2009 - 05:13 PM

It's not normal.....hard to say what it is. If it was wet up there today, it could be the brake light switch is shorting out. Next time the ESP light is on, check if the brake lights work.

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Posted 13 October 2009 - 05:28 PM

I checked the reluctor rings a couple of weeks ago. I bit of minor surface corrosion, but otherwise, look fine. Maybe they are dirty or some wet leaves go jammed in there...if possible. I will check this and the brake lights next time this happens. BTW, no fault codes on the ScanGauge, no associated ABS or Brake lights. Thanks Gents.
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Posted 13 October 2009 - 05:42 PM

The ScanGauge only reads engine faults, not any other type of faults (transmission for example).My money is on the brake light switch as the culprit.

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Posted 13 October 2009 - 05:48 PM

ESP faults won't log in the OBD, but rather on the CAN Bus. It can be pulled up by a Star Diagnostic computer.But you say you have a ScanGauge. Sometimes the OBD connector or the RJ-45 on the SG cable can cause trouble; make sure they are fully seated. I had this issue a while ago.
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Posted 13 October 2009 - 05:50 PM

If the steering wheel angle sensor goes out of alignment too it will throw a fault. I had this issue after I hit a pretty big pothole, it was enough to throw something out of whack in the alignment and the ESP fritzed out. Once I had the car's steering re-aligned, they recalibrated the angle sensor and it was all good.(ESP factors in the angle of the steering wheel to figure out the angular velocity difference between the inside and outside wheels)-Iain

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Posted 13 October 2009 - 06:02 PM

Great pointers guys :D Thank you! I just tried it in the garage and everything is normal...will see how long this lasts.

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Posted 13 October 2009 - 06:13 PM

My 450 did nearly the same thing in August 09 Failed @ 67,000 km's and I've only driven it through one winter (Bought used @ 21,000 k)First the ESP light came on. Then it was a combination of ESP and ABS warning lights.They wouldn't come on until over 50 KPH.I drove this way for a few weeks and then the engine light came on.Scan Gauge showed a PO-500 ABS Brake FailureCalled Harald @ Parts4smarts and got two new reluctor rings and did a DIY ring change.I had previously cleaned the reluctor rings with emery cloth and couldn't see the cracks...they don't have to be very BIG to send it all whacko!A cracked ring would be my first choice. Both the rings in this "pic" are cracked ...one is obvious the other is not!E.B.

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Posted 13 October 2009 - 06:40 PM

Thanks E.B. I will have to order a set of rings just in case. My car only has 25,000 kms and it's lived on the "Wet" Coast. From the thread from Bil above, seems like you will see both ABS and ESP lights on when the rings are corroded/cracked. Strange that I am not getting the ABS light. Also, nothing normal occurred up to 90 km/hr. Maybe steering wheel angle position sensor as Iain suggests.
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Posted 14 October 2009 - 02:07 AM

Thanks E.B. I will have to order a set of rings just in case. My car only has 25,000 kms and it's lived on the "Wet" Coast. From the thread from Bil above, seems like you will see both ABS and ESP lights on when the rings are corroded/cracked. Strange that I am not getting the ABS light. Also, nothing normal occurred up to 90 km/hr. Maybe steering wheel angle position sensor as Iain suggests.

I thought the problem with mine was the rings as well but MB said no. they only fixed the elect box under warrenty. Make sure you have that work carried out.
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Posted 14 October 2009 - 06:53 AM

What was wrong with the electrical box (SAM)? What did they replace/fix?
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Posted 14 October 2009 - 08:23 AM

What was wrong with the electrical box (SAM)? What did they replace/fix?

the warrenty work is to move it to help keep it dry. Not sure if they did any further work - I did not get charged for additional work. We will see if I have the same problem this winter - I hope not because this car without ESP you need to be careful.
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Posted 14 October 2009 - 02:26 PM

There have been a couple recalls in regards to water getting at the stop lamp switch. Check and make sure all thsoe have been performed. I'd suspect the stop lamp switch.

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Posted 14 October 2009 - 03:35 PM

the warranty work is to move it to help keep it dry. Not sure if they did any further work - I did not get charged for additional work. We will see if I have the same problem this winter - I hope not because this car without ESP you need to be careful.

I am certain that was not the SAM that was moved. That would be one hell of a job. It would be the "Canada" electrical box that used to reside in the battery well that was moved, and it does control the brake lights so a fault there could explain this problem.

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Posted 14 October 2009 - 04:14 PM

I am certain that was not the SAM that was moved. That would be one hell of a job. It would be the "Canada" electrical box that used to reside in the battery well that was moved, and it does control the brake lights so a fault there could explain this problem.

Mike, where did they move the electrical box to? What is housed in there specific to the brake light system? Relay? Apparently, the brake switch has two sets of contacts, one for the lights, the other for the ECU. So it is possible that the brake lights work with one set of good contacts with the other set faulty. Gosh, I wish I had a wiring diagram for all systems on this car! From Evilution: http://www.evilution...ndex.php?id=663
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Posted 14 October 2009 - 05:53 PM

I am certain that was not the SAM that was moved. That would be one hell of a job. It would be the "Canada" electrical box that used to reside in the battery well that was moved, and it does control the brake lights so a fault there could explain this problem.

that is right. I am hoping that fixed my "ABS/ESP lights" on issue. it has been fine since MB Markham did that recall/warrenty work but we will see this winter.
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Posted 14 October 2009 - 07:24 PM

The Canada box is relocated to the toebaord at the front of the tridion above/behind the foam block.

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