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@  Mike T : (29 August 2015 - 07:33 AM) I've no idea! Sorry, I rarely went there anyway. I think they had "issues". Driving to Banff today in the rain in prep for a 290 km bike ride from Jasper to Banff. Cheers
@  Francesco : (28 August 2015 - 11:24 PM) Ah. Just found Martin's tweet from January, but its link is dead so I have no details of why the club was dissolved
@  Francesco : (28 August 2015 - 10:49 PM) Hey Mike, what happened to CsQ? I haven't logged in in over a year, but it seems the lights aren't on...?
@  Francesco : (28 August 2015 - 10:39 PM) keep you eyes on the classifieds here, SCoA and CsQ, as well as Kijiji. Deals on rims pop up from time to time.
@  Francesco : (28 August 2015 - 10:36 PM) and yes, you'll find even with a one inch drop there is plenty of arch gap. I'm -1.25 in the front and -1.4 out back and it could go lower (but would drive balls). I hate the useless stanced look.
@  Francesco : (28 August 2015 - 10:34 PM) Figure a good $1400 or more to your door.
@  Francesco : (28 August 2015 - 10:33 PM) Ouch. The shipping will be more than the (discounted) 19% VAT, and then you'll likely get a collect bill from Canada Post for GST/PST and duties.
@  Surturiel : (28 August 2015 - 05:15 PM) I found these: http://www.rs-parts....r-smart450.html
@  Surturiel : (28 August 2015 - 05:15 PM) Question: With the lowered springs (Eibach, 25mm), can I still put a set of 16" on my limousine?
@  Surturiel : (28 August 2015 - 05:14 PM) I'll see what I can do...
@  Francesco : (28 August 2015 - 08:56 AM) Check with Fast Eddy to see if he'll rent you the correct tool for cheap.
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:43 PM) (like copper or aluminium)
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:43 PM) I'll try with something hard, but not as hard as steel
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:42 PM) tolsen has posted about it before. Personally I thought a couple hours of tinkering was time better spent elsewhere, and the $50 for the tool well spent
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:41 PM) you need a hardwood, soft won't do
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:41 PM) no worries, got the idea
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:40 PM) the hole being the exact size of the rod, not the disc. Sorry about the syntax
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:39 PM) A wooden clamp would work well. Drill a hole in a wooden disc the exact size of the strut rod's diameter, then cut the disc in half and add flats
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:13 PM) leather is too soft, as is rubber. I was thinking about either copper wire wound around the strut or tinfoil. and a vise Grip
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:11 PM) An old leather belt might work better, but I had no luck with it
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:10 PM) (I was thinking about a vise grip and tinfoil. you know, tinfoil is aluminum, and can potentailly protect the shock, and a vbise grip is FAR more useful than the clamp, but this is me trying to Mcgiver a solution, as usual...)
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:07 PM) ah, ok, then
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:06 PM) The strut spins freely, you need the special clamping tool to provide flats for a big open ended wrench (with this tool 47 mm)
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:03 PM) Can't I use LOTS of wd40, a t47 bit and a breaker bar?
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:01 PM) The strut clamp is a necessity. Worth every cent I paid -- making something similar myself would have taken me more time than I'd like to spend in order to save the few bucks.
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:00 PM) c'mon! I'll use twine. And optimism.
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 01:59 PM) I honestly didn't need them on the broken spring, and while handy for the lowering springs, not necessary.
@  dmoonen : (27 August 2015 - 08:06 AM) Spring compresssors are still needed. .Tolson why must you take the hard way to everything
@  Surturiel : (26 August 2015 - 03:59 PM) nah, the springs are broken, and I can use the ye old zip-tie trick. But since I'm going to put eibachs (-25mm) I won't worry.]
@  tolsen : (26 August 2015 - 03:43 PM) Clamp type spring compressors should not be used since the damage both protective coating and spring.
@  dmoonen : (26 August 2015 - 11:27 AM) The spring compressors you can borrow at Canadian tire
@  dmoonen : (26 August 2015 - 11:27 AM) I have the Mercedes strut clamp you can borrow just pay shipping and if you break it you buy it. Pm me
@  Surturiel : (26 August 2015 - 08:51 AM) thanks, guys! And... does anyone in Vancouver area have the clamp so I can "rent"?
@  dmoonen : (25 August 2015 - 06:43 PM) To and from SK*. I'm just waiting on some bits to finish the Golf build
@  dmoonen : (25 August 2015 - 06:41 PM) Still driving it, drove it to and from and average 4.7l/100l loaded to the brim.
@  Francesco : (25 August 2015 - 06:19 PM) Dillen how much did you end up getting for the wagon?
@  Francesco : (25 August 2015 - 05:13 PM) And if replacing the plastic bellows (dust boots) on the struts, cut a good 1.5" off the bottoms of them or they'll just compress around the stops and get in the way of the clamp tool
@  Francesco : (25 August 2015 - 05:11 PM) also, take a new knife blade and cut about an inch off the bump stops unless you love bottoming out on small bumps.
@  Francesco : (25 August 2015 - 05:09 PM) wont need it for the Eibachs
@  Francesco : (25 August 2015 - 05:09 PM) If the springs are broken at the top as suspected, the spring compressor might not be necessary.
@  dmoonen : (25 August 2015 - 04:49 PM) And a normal spring compressor
@  dmoonen : (25 August 2015 - 04:46 PM) Strut clamp tool*
@  dmoonen : (25 August 2015 - 04:46 PM) Lots of penetrating oil on the top nut and see if you can borrow a strut tool of you don't have the proper air tools
@  Surturiel : (25 August 2015 - 01:08 PM) Now, let's see if I can replace them without getting myself killed...
@  Surturiel : (25 August 2015 - 01:07 PM) Got the Eibach springs!
@  dmoonen : (25 August 2015 - 12:29 PM) Lol
@  Francesco : (25 August 2015 - 10:18 AM) ok, maybe MikeT
@  Francesco : (25 August 2015 - 10:18 AM) Who doesn't? Hehehe
@  dmoonen : (25 August 2015 - 07:46 AM) sounds like you have a decent to do list. .
@  Surturiel : (23 August 2015 - 08:00 PM) Perhaps even throw a set of powerflex purple bushings, and a set of 16" "space" wheels, but not now...)

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Towing A 450 Four Wheels Down. Interesting Info.


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#1 John & Angela

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 06:42 AM

Not to sure of the reliability of the info or if it has any credence but the following was posted on a UK website. A fellow RVer found the info. UK website "The Americans love towing a fleet of fuel efficient cars behind their 'gas guzzling' motorhomes, it wasn't long until the question appeared and the arguements began. Read on, this is the truth. The smart manual states you should NOT tow for more than 30 miles at a maximum of 30mph they are just covering themselves as the manufacturer of the gearbox (Getrag) impose no such limits. As long as you have the car in neutral (N) you can tow as far as you like up to the legal towing speed limit with no problems at all. You can tow front up or back up on a trailer or tow flat (all 4 wheels on the floor) with an A frame. With the ignition off, the mileage will not increase." Comments????

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 07:33 AM

Not to sure of the reliability of the info or if it has any credence but the following was posted on a UK website. A fellow RVer found the info. UK website "The Americans love towing a fleet of fuel efficient cars behind their 'gas guzzling' motorhomes, it wasn't long until the question appeared and the arguements began. Read on, this is the truth. The smart manual states you should NOT tow for more than 30 miles at a maximum of 30mph they are just covering themselves as the manufacturer of the gearbox (Getrag) impose no such limits. As long as you have the car in neutral (N) you can tow as far as you like up to the legal towing speed limit with no problems at all. You can tow front up or back up on a trailer or tow flat (all 4 wheels on the floor) with an A frame. With the ignition off, the mileage will not increase." Comments????

Does anybody have information on installing attachment points for the A Towing frame to a 2006 Diesel? I have been towing my Subaru behind my Itasca and possess all the gear required but need to connect to the Smarty. Bill

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 10:51 AM

I would say if the person who gave that advice will cover your costs in the event of a problem, it is good advice!

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#4 John & Angela

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 12:23 PM

I would say if the person who gave that advice will cover your costs in the event of a problem, it is good advice!

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 01:38 PM

My only comment is that of all the people I have come across on the web in the last five years, there are a small handful whose opinions and hands-on technical expertise I would "take to the bank".And of those, the one with the longest experience with smart cars, breadth and depth of technical knowledge, and who has taken considerable time on each related subject to seek out the definitive answer from amongst his network of expert specialists, it is Kane - the man (and Phd) behind the Evilution smart car encyclopaedia - whose publications I regard most highly.IMHO/YMMV, of course.Bil :sun:
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Posted 13 June 2010 - 02:27 PM

Even if it doesn't lead to severe early damage, you would still be putting wear on parts a lot more expensive than a trailer. All the suspension parts, tires, wheel bearings, tranny output and some internals. Handling is also better with a trailer. I don't like the idea of doing it as a regular practice, but good to know for unusual circumstances.

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 02:30 PM

My only comment is that of all the people I have come across on the web in the last five years, there are a small handful whose opinions and hands-on technical expertise I would "take to the bank". And of those, the one with the longest experience with smart cars, breadth and depth of technical knowledge, and who has taken considerable time on each related subject to seek out the definitive answer from amongst his network of expert specialists, it is Kane - the man (and Phd) behind the Evilution smart car encyclopaedia - whose publications I regard most highly. IMHO/YMMV, of course. Bil :sun:

Thanks for your input and opinion. We are towing ours on a smart car trailer as I want to be able to back up but I routinely have people ask me if they are towable four down. I don't advise them either way except that I have seen them (450 CDIs) being towed 4 down. John

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 02:51 PM

Keep in mind as well that distances towed in the UK and EU are far less than in North America, as well as the quality of roadways. So their experience wrt wear-and-tear etc on smart "toads" may be significantly different than here.I'd probably go with a trailer like you, John, for the long haul.B :sun:
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Posted 13 June 2010 - 08:36 PM

Keep in mind as well that distances towed in the UK and EU are far less than in North America, as well as the quality of roadways. So their experience wrt wear-and-tear etc on smart "toads" may be significantly different than here. I'd probably go with a trailer like you, John, for the long haul. B :sun:

We have towed enough vehicles behind our motorhomes to no that they also take a beating on the front end. 4 wheels down has its advantages but this time around we are towing on a smart car trailer. Thanks for the input

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Posted 14 June 2010 - 04:52 AM

When coming back from a recent camping trip to Cypress Hills I was suprprised to see a motor home on the Trans Canada towing a Smart with all four wheels on the ground. I had always understood that you couldn't/shouldn't do that but this guy was. I guess at least some think it's okay.

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Posted 10 August 2010 - 01:10 PM

I just purchased a 2005 any more info available out there on towing 4 down?

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Posted 10 August 2010 - 05:13 PM

The only new info I have is that another person has contacted me and informed that they have towed their 450 four down for a total of about 200 KM. I still tow on a trailer (which for me is a nice change from four down) and I am still reluctant to encourage anyone to tow their 450 four down as I JUST DON'T KNOW. Let us know what you decide and how it goes.

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Posted 11 August 2010 - 02:15 AM

The only new info I have is that another person has contacted me and informed that they have towed their 450 four down for a total of about 200 KM. I still tow on a trailer (which for me is a nice change from four down) and I am still reluctant to encourage anyone to tow their 450 four down as I JUST DON'T KNOW. Let us know what you decide and how it goes.

I have decided to take a chance and tow it 6 down I,m having the A arm installed tomorrow and will lrt you know what happens afterwards.

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 08:17 AM

I think towing a Smart on its four wheels is better for the wheel bearings. Extended shaking sitting on a trailer can cause fretting in the bearings.




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