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@  stickman007 : (03 August 2015 - 06:42 PM) Markjohn: check your engine harness before replacing anymore parts! Most MB dealership are close to useless when it comes to repairing smarts...find a good smart independent mechanic (I recommend smart142)
@  stickman007 : (03 August 2015 - 06:38 PM) Mine just started working again today
@  FlossyTheSmart : (03 August 2015 - 11:56 AM) And on that same topic, if you ARE getting emails, it would also be handy to know that they are in fact going out!
@  FlossyTheSmart : (03 August 2015 - 10:21 AM) If anyone is still having issues with not getting emails from CsC, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let me know!
@  FlossyTheSmart : (03 August 2015 - 10:21 AM) OK, I think I've set up a workaround so that emails will go out as usual. Now I need to figure out why the previous config (Which has been working for years) isn't working anymore. The last email I got from CsC was July 22nd
@  Markjohn : (03 August 2015 - 09:47 AM) Hello all my smart 800 diesel keeps going in to limp mode it had 3 boost sensors had dia gnostic at Mercedes andthay don't no wot 2 do next any ideas please
@  FlossyTheSmart : (03 August 2015 - 09:38 AM) Uh oh, just discovered CsC hasn't been able to send emails for a while :\
@  Francesco : (01 August 2015 - 09:31 AM) Cool, thanks
@  CANMAN : (01 August 2015 - 03:55 AM) Yes it's Max
@  Francesco : (01 August 2015 - 12:39 AM) I forget who in the NCR was printing SGII brackets. max? It's that time of year when the heat inside my parked smart causes the heavy duty Velcro to unglue from both surfaces, which puts strain on the wonky RJ45 and causes the SAM to throw a P0113 code...
@  marchanna : (28 July 2015 - 11:51 AM) Yup. Sometimes the simplest is the best.
@  Mike T : (28 July 2015 - 11:07 AM) Best idea yet!
@  marchanna : (28 July 2015 - 08:39 AM) It fits nicely in the back of the Benz if I put the seats down. I just thought it would be novel to put it on the back of the Smart.
@  Francesco : (27 July 2015 - 08:10 PM) Or wheelie bars
@  Mike T : (27 July 2015 - 08:07 PM) Preferably, use a larger vehicle.
@  Francesco : (27 July 2015 - 08:05 PM) I would think a trailer is your only option. The physics is just wrong in a couple of dimensions to be hanging 300 lbs behind the rear wheels
@  marchanna : (27 July 2015 - 07:27 PM) Check it out: can-drift.com
@  marchanna : (27 July 2015 - 07:21 PM) It's an electric drift trike. I wanted to see if I could fab a vertical rack on the back of the Smart. The trike weighs about 200lbs - I could probably build an aluminum rack as light as 50lbs - but that still the exceeds the tongue weight of the hitches, thought maybe the towing bolt holes could hold a little more weight.
@  Francesco : (27 July 2015 - 04:50 PM) even the trunk weight is recommended to be no more than 50 kg...
@  Francesco : (27 July 2015 - 04:49 PM) Wow, I have no idea what you're attempting but that sounds like too much weight for the rear of the smart altogether, not just for the two bolts.
@  marchanna : (27 July 2015 - 08:01 AM) I want to hold about 300lbs across of them.
@  marchanna : (27 July 2015 - 07:59 AM) Yes
@  Francesco : (27 July 2015 - 07:43 AM) Vertical?
@  marchanna : (27 July 2015 - 06:32 AM) Anyone know how much load the towing eye bolt hold in the rear bumper of a 451 can carry?

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Towing A 450 Four Wheels Down. Interesting Info.


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#1 John & Angela

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 06:42 AM

Not to sure of the reliability of the info or if it has any credence but the following was posted on a UK website. A fellow RVer found the info. UK website "The Americans love towing a fleet of fuel efficient cars behind their 'gas guzzling' motorhomes, it wasn't long until the question appeared and the arguements began. Read on, this is the truth. The smart manual states you should NOT tow for more than 30 miles at a maximum of 30mph they are just covering themselves as the manufacturer of the gearbox (Getrag) impose no such limits. As long as you have the car in neutral (N) you can tow as far as you like up to the legal towing speed limit with no problems at all. You can tow front up or back up on a trailer or tow flat (all 4 wheels on the floor) with an A frame. With the ignition off, the mileage will not increase." Comments????
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Posted 13 June 2010 - 07:33 AM

Not to sure of the reliability of the info or if it has any credence but the following was posted on a UK website. A fellow RVer found the info. UK website "The Americans love towing a fleet of fuel efficient cars behind their 'gas guzzling' motorhomes, it wasn't long until the question appeared and the arguements began. Read on, this is the truth. The smart manual states you should NOT tow for more than 30 miles at a maximum of 30mph they are just covering themselves as the manufacturer of the gearbox (Getrag) impose no such limits. As long as you have the car in neutral (N) you can tow as far as you like up to the legal towing speed limit with no problems at all. You can tow front up or back up on a trailer or tow flat (all 4 wheels on the floor) with an A frame. With the ignition off, the mileage will not increase." Comments????

Does anybody have information on installing attachment points for the A Towing frame to a 2006 Diesel? I have been towing my Subaru behind my Itasca and possess all the gear required but need to connect to the Smarty. Bill

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 10:51 AM

I would say if the person who gave that advice will cover your costs in the event of a problem, it is good advice!

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#4 John & Angela

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 12:23 PM

I would say if the person who gave that advice will cover your costs in the event of a problem, it is good advice!

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 01:38 PM

My only comment is that of all the people I have come across on the web in the last five years, there are a small handful whose opinions and hands-on technical expertise I would "take to the bank".And of those, the one with the longest experience with smart cars, breadth and depth of technical knowledge, and who has taken considerable time on each related subject to seek out the definitive answer from amongst his network of expert specialists, it is Kane - the man (and Phd) behind the Evilution smart car encyclopaedia - whose publications I regard most highly.IMHO/YMMV, of course.Bil :sun:
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Posted 13 June 2010 - 02:27 PM

Even if it doesn't lead to severe early damage, you would still be putting wear on parts a lot more expensive than a trailer. All the suspension parts, tires, wheel bearings, tranny output and some internals. Handling is also better with a trailer. I don't like the idea of doing it as a regular practice, but good to know for unusual circumstances.

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 02:30 PM

My only comment is that of all the people I have come across on the web in the last five years, there are a small handful whose opinions and hands-on technical expertise I would "take to the bank". And of those, the one with the longest experience with smart cars, breadth and depth of technical knowledge, and who has taken considerable time on each related subject to seek out the definitive answer from amongst his network of expert specialists, it is Kane - the man (and Phd) behind the Evilution smart car encyclopaedia - whose publications I regard most highly. IMHO/YMMV, of course. Bil :sun:

Thanks for your input and opinion. We are towing ours on a smart car trailer as I want to be able to back up but I routinely have people ask me if they are towable four down. I don't advise them either way except that I have seen them (450 CDIs) being towed 4 down. John
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Posted 13 June 2010 - 02:51 PM

Keep in mind as well that distances towed in the UK and EU are far less than in North America, as well as the quality of roadways. So their experience wrt wear-and-tear etc on smart "toads" may be significantly different than here.I'd probably go with a trailer like you, John, for the long haul.B :sun:
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Posted 13 June 2010 - 08:36 PM

Keep in mind as well that distances towed in the UK and EU are far less than in North America, as well as the quality of roadways. So their experience wrt wear-and-tear etc on smart "toads" may be significantly different than here. I'd probably go with a trailer like you, John, for the long haul. B :sun:

We have towed enough vehicles behind our motorhomes to no that they also take a beating on the front end. 4 wheels down has its advantages but this time around we are towing on a smart car trailer. Thanks for the input
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Posted 14 June 2010 - 04:52 AM

When coming back from a recent camping trip to Cypress Hills I was suprprised to see a motor home on the Trans Canada towing a Smart with all four wheels on the ground. I had always understood that you couldn't/shouldn't do that but this guy was. I guess at least some think it's okay.

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Posted 10 August 2010 - 01:10 PM

I just purchased a 2005 any more info available out there on towing 4 down?

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Posted 10 August 2010 - 05:13 PM

The only new info I have is that another person has contacted me and informed that they have towed their 450 four down for a total of about 200 KM. I still tow on a trailer (which for me is a nice change from four down) and I am still reluctant to encourage anyone to tow their 450 four down as I JUST DON'T KNOW. Let us know what you decide and how it goes.
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Posted 11 August 2010 - 02:15 AM

The only new info I have is that another person has contacted me and informed that they have towed their 450 four down for a total of about 200 KM. I still tow on a trailer (which for me is a nice change from four down) and I am still reluctant to encourage anyone to tow their 450 four down as I JUST DON'T KNOW. Let us know what you decide and how it goes.

I have decided to take a chance and tow it 6 down I,m having the A arm installed tomorrow and will lrt you know what happens afterwards.

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 08:17 AM

I think towing a Smart on its four wheels is better for the wheel bearings. Extended shaking sitting on a trailer can cause fretting in the bearings.




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