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@  KurtMan : (30 September 2014 - 12:49 PM) It was in fact the PY21 bulb that was burnt, the Canadian Tire associate insisted his computer system was correct and gave me 7528 bulbs. So I will return the bulbs and educate him when I return ��
@  stickman007 : (29 September 2014 - 02:29 PM) I bought a set of triple square from Mac Tools...the only one I ever use was 8mm for the CV
@  Francesco : (29 September 2014 - 09:16 AM) Yeah, ok. Buddy brought over his wife's 2000 Beetle TDI for a detail and I wanted to adjust the doors, but the strikers and hinges both had triple square bolts.
@  dmoonen : (29 September 2014 - 09:01 AM) Had to buy a couple sets for working on my vw's, basicly bbs rims, axels and a outher parts require them including the injector pump on the ALH's. I don't think there's a single one on the smarts that I recall mostly torx, etorx and standard sockets.
@  dmoonen : (29 September 2014 - 08:59 AM) VW need them but smarts no so much
@  Francesco : (29 September 2014 - 08:41 AM) I never noticed, does the 450 use any triple-square bolts? Does the 451? The set will be handy for when I work on Dubs, but was wondering about smarts, too.
@  Francesco : (28 September 2014 - 09:38 PM) The turn signal bulb? Or the bulb that would normally go in the empty BA15s socket below the top brake lamp? The TS is PY21W or P21W, while the one in the empty socket is R5W (207), a 5 Watt bulb. Note than on Canadian 450s that socket isn't connected to any power or earth.
@  KurtMan : (28 September 2014 - 06:00 PM) Thanks guys, I forgot to say it's a 450.
@  FlossyTheSmart : (28 September 2014 - 05:37 PM) WHich is a yellow bulb, despite being behind a red lens
@  FlossyTheSmart : (28 September 2014 - 05:36 PM) Oh, missed the lower break light correction. I think that is a PY21W
@  FlossyTheSmart : (28 September 2014 - 05:32 PM) I want to say P21W - I was just changing bulbs on my cabrio yesterday and it's actually on the plastic casing what bulbs are meant to go there - that's what I remember. I'm sure Evilution will have it there somewhere too.
@  marchanna : (28 September 2014 - 03:07 PM) I'm not sure if 450's are the same
@  marchanna : (28 September 2014 - 03:07 PM) On 451 models it's a 7528
@  marchanna : (28 September 2014 - 03:03 PM) What year?
@  KurtMan : (28 September 2014 - 02:52 PM) *I should specify lower break light.
@  KurtMan : (28 September 2014 - 02:48 PM) Does anyone know what the bulb type is in the lower part of a cabrio tail light?
@  amr530711 : (27 September 2014 - 02:16 PM) it's got a hard short on the black cable running from the positive post to the rear of the car - does that connect to the starter or to the alternator? This car seems to eat alternators, and the blackout happened at roughly the same time as the alternator would kick in, just a couple of seconds after moving forward.
@  stickman007 : (27 September 2014 - 01:52 PM) Check your connection at the battery terminals? I think somebody here in the forum had the battery cable melted once...
@  amr530711 : (27 September 2014 - 11:55 AM) hey everyone! I'm having a hard time with the new search, I'm looking for information about a total electrical failure. I started the car, drove about 50 feet, it bucked, the instrument cluster went out, back on, then completely off. and now I have no electrics at all. no four way flashers, can't roll up the window, car won't lock, absolutely nothing happens when I turn the key. Not sure what words to use in the search. any help would be appreciated
@  Francesco : (27 September 2014 - 07:10 AM) And a whole set of triple square bits off Amazon for $25. SnapOn rep said they're special order, and each bit is close to $30!!!

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#1 1960NSU

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Posted 21 March 2011 - 11:26 PM

Hi GUys: I have searched all over and to no avail I can't find any info on spare keys for the Smart. Mine only came with one key, and was hoping to get another one just incase we misplace the origional. I have somewhat gathered you have to get a new one from MB, am I going to have to take out a mortgage to get a new one?I seen some on the Smart-parts in the UK, the fob and key bit seperate but will they work or not?Wendy

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 01:01 PM

The fob will work (although it might need a battery), but MB needs to have it and your car for a while to program it to your car's specific security system..Someone else can probably help you with the cost of this and getting a new key cut. Having a spare is a good idea regardless, so if I were you, I would go ahead and get one.Ron :bike:
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#3 1960NSU

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 02:45 PM

So that may not work, as the ignition won't be in the smart car :o It will be in our resto NSU. I wonder how that would look, take the NSU with all the workings of a Smart in MB and ask them to code the key :lol: They wouldn't know where to start. Other question can the imobilizer be disarmed in any way? So a person could just use the metal part of the key and not the locking mechanism fob thing? Because I am not going to be using the power lock mechanism in the resto car. Hmmm what to doWendy

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 04:20 PM

The immobilizer resides deep in the "operating system" of the car. Probably in the ECU? I don't think there is any way to disable it. As you probably know, it self-immobilizes after about 5 minutes of off time (doesn't lock the doors, just won't start.)Do you know of Fast Eddy and Flying Tiger? He won't blink at the heart of a smart transplanted into a NSU. Bit of a drive to Richmond, though.

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Posted 23 March 2011 - 08:50 PM

Module for the disabler is by the gear shift in the console - it sends a signal to the SAM telling it to start the car - so yeah you might be able to fool it - but if you want to retain it you can get extra key fobs - they are expensive and do require a star machine and access to Mercedes to do - so not sure Fast Eddy could do that or not - If you are stuck for a dealer willing to help Three Point Motors here in Victoria has gone above and beyond with some funky stuff for customers at times.Cheers,Cameron
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#6 1960NSU

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Posted 24 March 2011 - 01:53 PM

Thanks guys for the info, the transplant should start in May, and I am hoping the key isn't going to get misplaced while the transission takes place. I think I may make a key chain for it out of something large and visible, so they can't lose it. :lol: I will contact Fast Eddy and see of he could work on it. Once the car is done, should be no problem to take it to Richmond, It will still be a Smart but in disguise. And I am sure he would like to see it.Wendy

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Posted 29 March 2011 - 06:57 AM

Sounds like you've got a work-around figured out.I'm not mechanically inclined, so I ordered a spare key from MB (Star Motors in Ottawa). It takes about 10 days for them to get the fob from their supplier. Then I had to bring the car and my existing key into the dealership for reprogramming. Although I had an appointment, it took 6 hours for the programming codes to arrive from some mysterious online source. (Is there an emoticon for "skepticism"?? LOL)After about 4 hours, I was given a loaner car. The financial cost was about $270.00 (parts and labour), and a long boring wait in the Customer Holding Tank.
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