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@  dmoonen : (06 July 2015 - 11:47 AM) Normal for myself. . things dont stay stock long.
@  Mike T : (06 July 2015 - 10:57 AM) That depends upon how much you paid for it
@  Surturiel : (06 July 2015 - 09:48 AM) is it normal to want to spend more than twice that I spent on the car itself on "Upgrades"?
@  Francesco : (06 July 2015 - 09:08 AM) Yep. I know that urge all too well.
@  Surturiel : (06 July 2015 - 07:37 AM) but I'll do the non-smart thing and dump lots of money to do everything I can to make it the "perfect" smart
@  Surturiel : (06 July 2015 - 07:28 AM) under normal driving conditions*
@  Surturiel : (06 July 2015 - 07:28 AM) it's VERY subtle, though. under normal (AKA, not dickhead mode) the car behaves quite well
@  Surturiel : (06 July 2015 - 07:27 AM) nope. in fact, the car is aligned ( I suspected the steering rack at first)
@  dmoonen : (06 July 2015 - 07:11 AM) does it pull to a side?
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:28 PM) and if I brake REAL hard I feel a clunk on the steering wheel)
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:27 PM) the springs are not broken (as far as I could see, at least)
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:26 PM) ( I like toffee, it goes well with pearl)
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:26 PM) nah, I don't. But I want to do something different: Toffee and chesterfield inserts in gray
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:26 PM) yeah, clunks are bad. Ball joints more than likely, but could also be sway bar links or even a broken spring (very common)
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:24 PM) if you have a leather guy, that's awesome. Mister Dotcom used to supply fitted pieces in the original smart leather. There's a trim shop in the UK now that does our cars but not sure how close it is to the original dark grey leather
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:23 PM) and the front has some clunks when I go too hard on a pothole.
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:23 PM) nice
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:22 PM) this car, although is a rebuilt, has only 65k on it
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:22 PM) yeah... my plan is: wheels/tires, suspension (nothing too fancy, I don't want to drop the car), Eddie's remap, put leather on the interior and wrap it in pearl white
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:21 PM) twit hinges? Twitchiness... Lol
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:21 PM) On our cars? The bushings will resolve some squeaks and some of the twit hinges on uneven bends. But overall, only do it if you suspect your bushes are worn out. I've only done the rear link bushings
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:19 PM) Yeah, you'll notice a better suspension, though former, makes the ride more bearable. It's counterintuitive, but ask any of the local YVR smarties who've done that.
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:19 PM) (the wheels)
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:19 PM) they're european (Poland)
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:18 PM) speaking o that, is there any REAL advantage on those powerflex bushings?
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:18 PM) you won't regret an upgrade to those sizes.
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:17 PM) suspension will come later ( my tires are going the way of the dodo...)
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:17 PM) its a great price, especially if you have a US mailing address available. Chances are they are made in Asia, but I've only ver paid Gst/pst on Asian stuff other than shoes.
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:17 PM) yep... this is what I'm planning to do... 175 and 195.
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:16 PM) oh, and while I'm at it: you will simply not benefit from wider tires (on any size rims) without suspension upgrades. At most, consider Mike's suggestion of 175/195 on 15s, which is the stock setup on the 450 pulse in europe
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:15 PM) I'll have to put spacers on the rear, but for this price, it sounds good...
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:14 PM) http://www.tirerack....M727GS&i2_Qty=2
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:14 PM) this is the wheel that I've found:
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:13 PM) I'm in Vancouver, and I already find the ride kinda harsh.
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:13 PM) where are you located?
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:13 PM) those seem like good rims, I've seen them in person before but not driven on them. I like the look
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:12 PM) for what it's worth, I'm on 40-series rubber on 16s in Quebec, home to the worst roads in North America. Do I plan my routes to get the smoothest pavement? You bet. But they are usable on our roads.
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:12 PM) I found a set of wheels at tirerack.com, the Allutec Grip3, 15", 5J and 6J, for $94 each
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:09 PM) for forged rims from North America, your choices are limited for most cars, and nonexistent for the smart
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:08 PM) As long as the offset is close to stock, aftermarket rims are fine. Remember,in Europe there are perhaps four OEMs that make all the alloys for all markets, regardless of brand.
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 10:58 PM) oh, ok, Mike. wide® 15" it is. anything against aftermarket ones?
@  Mike T : (05 July 2015 - 09:14 PM) 16s will give better roadholding but a worse ride. Wider 15s will probably not affect ride at all because there is the same height of rubber between the rim and road as the stylelines, but the roadholding will improve a lot; however going to 16s of the proper size will lose a half inch of rubber, giving a worse ride....and a much higher potential for rim damage.
@  Mike T : (05 July 2015 - 09:11 PM) You can use 16s, it's just that they will be damage prone and you will need to use the recommended sizes or the circumferences will differ too much between front and rear axles and the ESP will create a huge problem. Aside from that, there is not room in the 450 wheel wells for oversized tires on 16 inch rims...the rears if 205 mm in width should be 45 series not 50. Fronts should be 175/50-16.
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 08:54 PM) (what did I get into..)
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 08:54 PM) is it THAT compllicated to get 16" wheels on a 450?
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 08:45 PM) 185/50 and 205/50 r16"
@  Mike T : (05 July 2015 - 07:45 PM) You can't use 185/50 and 205/50, the ESP will freak out and the car will be undriveable. I find that 175/55-15 front and 195/50-15 rear to be the best compromise between ride and handling.
@  marchanna : (05 July 2015 - 06:31 PM) LED headlights installed
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 05:59 PM) right now I have the Stylines with 145/55 front and 175/50 rear. I find the car skitterish on the highway and the ride is kinda harsh. I was considering 16"s with 185/50 front and 205/50 back, on the Trilines. possible? Would that improve both the comfort and stability?
@  Mike T : (05 July 2015 - 04:46 PM) If you are concerned about rim damage due to rough roads, don't even consider 16s.

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#1 Mike T

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Posted 11 June 2011 - 06:26 AM

The 24h race is on now, another Peugeot diesel versus Audi diesel epic, and there has already been a horrific crash within the first hour, Alan McNish put his Audi R18 into a non-existent gap and the result was a potentially lethal crash although he luckily walked away.The race has been under a full course yellow since that happened 30 minutes ago.22.5 hours to go......

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#2 Mike T

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Posted 11 June 2011 - 01:44 PM

Jesus, another Audi and GT Ferrari came together, this time resulting in the total destruction of the Rockenfeller Audi. Mike Rockenfeller got out of the remains of the car by himself, amazing.So it's another long safety car period and the last remaining Audi is in first (aided by the triple safety cars, which put the Peugeots further behind on the track), followed by the three factory Peugeot 908s and then the De Chaunac 908 HDI FAP.Just over 15 hours to go.

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#3 Coast Steve

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Posted 11 June 2011 - 08:23 PM

Damn, I only have basic cable!

I once owned the "GT" Smart....I'm a.. "Hasbin"

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2005 Pulse, first brand new car!, Brabus this"N"that, racey stuff too, big fat tires, crazy expensive rims, shiny custom "GT sport" muffler, 2 1/2" silicone and aluminum bellmouth "GT MAX" intake kit, some neat decals, heated leather seats, stacked and ready to race, but then I sold it.


#4 Leadwing

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Posted 11 June 2011 - 08:27 PM

My rabbit ears don't bring in those specialty channels

You are what you drive

'05 smart pulse "Bruised" (bought used with 94,000kms on it, Sept. 23/09)

'06 smart Passion Cab. "Silverwing" (bought 'gently used' with 4,800 kms on it, Nov. 22/10)

'95 Jeep "winter-beater" (bought used in 1996 with 6,000 kms on it) Sold... June 30/12 with 297,900 kms on it.

'96 Honda Civic, "Dimples", that serves as my wife's bus

'89 Civic "Old Faithful" (bought new in the fall of 1988) Finally  (October 16/14) blew a tail light bulb!  First bulb to blow since new.  A/C has never been serviced and still chills the cabin area in less than 3 minutes.

and a gaggle of motorcycles including the 35th GoldWing ever made with over 591,000 miles on it. "yeehawww"
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#5 Mike T

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Posted 11 June 2011 - 08:35 PM

8:25 to go, Audi first, Peugeots 2,3,4,5. They're only a few seconds apart. Better than F-1 any day!!! Watching it in HD on Speed Channel.

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#6 Mike T

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 04:30 AM

Half an hour to go: Audi is 7 seconds ahead of the #9 Peugeot, after 23.5 hours. Best racing in the world.

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 05:31 AM

Well, it's all over now...new faces on the podium.1 - Audi

You are what you drive

'05 smart pulse "Bruised" (bought used with 94,000kms on it, Sept. 23/09)

'06 smart Passion Cab. "Silverwing" (bought 'gently used' with 4,800 kms on it, Nov. 22/10)

'95 Jeep "winter-beater" (bought used in 1996 with 6,000 kms on it) Sold... June 30/12 with 297,900 kms on it.

'96 Honda Civic, "Dimples", that serves as my wife's bus

'89 Civic "Old Faithful" (bought new in the fall of 1988) Finally  (October 16/14) blew a tail light bulb!  First bulb to blow since new.  A/C has never been serviced and still chills the cabin area in less than 3 minutes.

and a gaggle of motorcycles including the 35th GoldWing ever made with over 591,000 miles on it. "yeehawww"
.. List of all 15 upon request


#8 Mike T

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 10:18 AM

Great show, I stayed up for all 24 hours. Peugeot diesels 2-3-4-5....they were reliable but didn't quite have the required speed.

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#9 lebikerboy

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 10:46 AM

Would have been interesting if the two other Audi entries had not been in those horrendous accidents...

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#10 Mike T

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 08:01 PM

I was damned interesting as it was, but yeah. And had the Number 7 Peugeot not been stuffed into the wall necessitating a RF suspension change, it could well have finished first. I love endurance racing.....

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#11 Mike T

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Posted 18 January 2012 - 09:06 PM

Another day that shall live in infamy forever: http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/97080 There goes the 2012 season. And maybe Peugeot as a carmaker. Things (in a financial sense) have to be extremely dire for them to cancel the program at this late date, partway through the car development program. It's sad for Le Mans too, there will be no competition in LMP1 for Audi this season.

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