Jump to content


Toggle shoutbox Shoutbox - Chat with members! Open the Shoutbox in a popup

@  Th3Guardian : (23 July 2016 - 03:55 PM) Wondering if anyone has a performance exhaust for a 451 in Ontario
@  BabyBenz : (23 July 2016 - 03:03 PM) Shuanghuan Noble
@  BabyBenz : (23 July 2016 - 03:02 PM) Came across an interesting article about a Chinese auto manufacturer that cloned the Smart Fortwo - was sued for copyright infringement but the suit failed. 
@  smartzuuk : (21 July 2016 - 11:20 AM) no bites yet on the canada1.... it's still at 98,xxx kms with brand new tires and if someone is interested, let me know.... because if the Volvo goes first, the smart will come off the chopping block
@  Nigel : (19 July 2016 - 03:45 PM) Talk to Glenn smart142. I know he has been in contact with another welder about repairing stock mufflers.
@  Mike T : (19 July 2016 - 01:21 PM) Does Eddy in BC have a decent used one?
@  BabyBenz : (19 July 2016 - 12:44 PM) Trying to decide whether to pull the trigger on expensive muffler replacement at Mercedes or try and have an exhaust shop make a hopefully cheaper custom replacement.
@  Henry : (14 July 2016 - 03:13 PM) Carrot river is in north east Saskatchewan.
@  Henry : (14 July 2016 - 03:12 PM) Ya the cruise helps a lot. i have taken my smart as far east as Carrot river and as far south as palm springs. Quite comfy for the driver but the passenger doesn't get a reclining seat.
@  Mike T : (14 July 2016 - 06:29 AM) Yup. Top tip: Get cruise control, if you don't already have it.
@  Surturiel : (14 July 2016 - 06:09 AM) hmmm... So, just the usual (change oil, check everything), cram the car full of junk and head for 8 days of road?
@  smartzuuk : (14 July 2016 - 04:47 AM) It won't change things enough to matter... I've driven all the way from BC to Labrador and return on the stock wheels and tires....
@  Surturiel : (13 July 2016 - 11:48 PM) Should I put on wider wheels for the trip? would that make it more bearable? (roadster steelies+conti procontacts)
@  Mike T : (13 July 2016 - 06:18 PM) No problem. I did Toronto to Vancouver Island in 4 days!
@  Surturiel : (13 July 2016 - 05:01 PM) question: I *might* move from Vancouver to Halifax, and was thinking about driving all the way there with my 450. Stupid or REALLY stupid idea?
@  Surturiel : (13 July 2016 - 05:00 PM) hey, everyone
@  Mike T : (11 July 2016 - 08:10 PM) me too
@  dmoonen : (11 July 2016 - 04:59 PM) So I've totally missed updating my bike totals haha

Photo
- - - - -

Electric car with "on board" generator


  • Please log in to reply
17 replies to this topic

#1 smart65

smart65
  • Regular Members
  • 1,100 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Mississauga ON Canada

Posted 03 August 2011 - 04:21 PM

I thoought that this might be an interesting discussion to kick off here.How big would a portable 120/240v generator have to be to supply enough continuous energy run an electric car? I'm visualizing one mounted on a small trailer and plugged into the battery's charge circuit. Somewhat similar to a diesel-electric locomotive, where the internal combustion engine generates electricity to run the electric motors which propel the vehicle. It would increase the range of the car, but the fuel economy wouldn't likely be very spectacular. Whatever became of the fuel cell? That would be a natural, if it were developed to the level the original hype promised. Feel free to add your thoughts on this subject.
Gary ...
2005 silver/silver smart passion CDI coupe with bungee grey interior (vanity plate "SMART 65")..
2013 Mazda CX-5 GS (4 cylinder gas engine, 6-spd auto, fwd, red with tan coloured cloth seats).
Some of extras on smart: tach & clock pods, heated seats, sound upgrade, underseat storage tray, electric P/S, softtouch, steelies & Blizzak winter tires, hand controls, MDC cruise control with W/W arm control, MDC armrest, front signal lights converted to Euro-style with original signal lights running as DRLs and front side lighting converted to act only as signal repeaters (now LED), Grundig 6 CD changer, MDC ultimate window package, Scangauge II, 3-spoke steering wheel with paddle shifters, Technine stage 2 remap.

#2 Francesco

Francesco

    CsC BoD Member

  • Directors
  • 6,214 posts
  • Location:West Island of Montreal

Posted 03 August 2011 - 04:55 PM

Consider that a high-efficiency electric motor running of lithium-ion batteries (think: Tesla) operates at perhaps 88% efficiency. A modern, four-stroke internal-combustion engine in a car operates at roughly 18% efficiency. In other words, you would have to supply roughly five times the input energy potential to a combustion engine just to get the electric drive train to run.
Francesco

2006 fortwo cdi pulse cabrio phat red/silver/heated leather/PLUS/sound mods Tempomat/Cabriotec glass rear window/custom red silicone cdi TIK/all-LED EU pulse lamps front & rear/mud-flaps/garage opener/wiper nozzle/SGII/remap/spin-on filter/K&N air/RS grille/de dion caps/Micro DE fogs/sucker/LED angel eyes/stainless EGR delete/RS paddles/HEL braided brake lines/Bilstein B14 PSS coil-overs/PowerFlex bushings/Michalak 16" wheels coming up Blindy/custom brakes/torque damper/Morimoto

#3 Mike T

Mike T

    We pre-ordered our first smart in July 2002!

  • Directors
  • 29,129 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Ladysmith, Vancouver Island, BC CDN

Posted 03 August 2011 - 05:24 PM

Overall efficiency will be far lower than if the ICE powered the car directly (ICE loss plus electric loss).....and the ICE used will probably pollute far more than a road legal car engine would, so it's a double hit against air quality and global efficiency. Far better to buy a new Volt if this is the way you want to go.

2006 smart BRABUS Canada 1 cabriolet, FlyingTiger map 380023_5.png
2013 Ford Fiesta SE 5 speed, 203A and Winter packages 542252_5.png
2008 Mercedes-Benz B 200 5 speed, other goodies 206221_5.png
1966 Peugeot 404 Coupé Injection, in restoration (2016) 201066_5.png


#4 Graham

Graham

    "Our" departed smart. It was fun.

  • Regular Members
  • 600 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Near Kingston, Ontario

Posted 03 August 2011 - 06:55 PM

Overall efficiency will be far lower than if the ICE powered the car directly (ICE loss plus electric loss).....and the ICE used will probably pollute far more than a road legal car engine would, so it's a double hit against air quality and global efficiency. Far better to buy a new Volt if this is the way you want to go.

The efficiency of an ICE dedicated to a generator would likely be higher than that for one powering the car directly. It would be run at an optimum rpm to maximize efficiency. But there is no question that there are losses. The Jaguar C-X75 uses this principle, but uses gas turbines instead of an ICE to drive the generators that charge the batteries. Such a car can run on batteries when emissions are a problem, but extend range by running the generators when on the open road.
'06 42 CDI Passion (sold), '85 300D, '72 350SL, '98 E320

#5 Henry

Henry
  • Regular Members
  • 227 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Port Alberni

Posted 04 August 2011 - 03:10 PM

This has already been achieved in the Fisker Karma. http://www.fiskerautomotive.com/#!/kar...ions/powertrain This is quite comparable to the tesla but more refined. Alan

05 Smart Pure Cabriolet, Island Girl.

06 Smart Brabus Canada One Cabriolet,The One, Flying Tiger map. 

 


#6 Francesco

Francesco

    CsC BoD Member

  • Directors
  • 6,214 posts
  • Location:West Island of Montreal

Posted 04 August 2011 - 04:47 PM

Wouldn't the on-sale-now Chevy Volt be the standard bearer in the plug-in hybrid segment, beating the Karma to market by a full six months? The Tesla Roadster and Model S are fully-electric vehicles. But calling the Karma more refined than the Model S is a stretch, since the Karma just began deliveries, and uses a Chevy Cobalt SS engine to charge an A123 Systems battery pack that is considered inferior to those made by Tesla. The electric motors are off-the-shelf units as well, unlike the custom Tesla units.
Francesco

2006 fortwo cdi pulse cabrio phat red/silver/heated leather/PLUS/sound mods Tempomat/Cabriotec glass rear window/custom red silicone cdi TIK/all-LED EU pulse lamps front & rear/mud-flaps/garage opener/wiper nozzle/SGII/remap/spin-on filter/K&N air/RS grille/de dion caps/Micro DE fogs/sucker/LED angel eyes/stainless EGR delete/RS paddles/HEL braided brake lines/Bilstein B14 PSS coil-overs/PowerFlex bushings/Michalak 16" wheels coming up Blindy/custom brakes/torque damper/Morimoto

#7 gordo.bernard

gordo.bernard
  • Regular Members
  • 842 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Maidstone, Ontario

Posted 04 August 2011 - 05:48 PM

I think this has been well researched by corporations and shade tree mechanics as well. http://blogs.wsj.com...e-electric-car/ http://evmaine.org/h...v_trailers.html

Attached Thumbnails

  • OB_KR341_traile_E_20101101162011.jpg
  • tumblr_litm1qaDIp1qz5vyfo1_1280.jpg
  • Acp_tzero_DSC00467.jpg

Edited by gordo.bernard, 04 August 2011 - 05:52 PM.


#8 Henry

Henry
  • Regular Members
  • 227 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Port Alberni

Posted 04 August 2011 - 07:43 PM

Wouldn't the on-sale-now Chevy Volt be the standard bearer in the plug-in hybrid segment, beating the Karma to market by a full six months? The Tesla Roadster and Model S are fully-electric vehicles. But calling the Karma more refined than the Model S is a stretch, since the Karma just began deliveries, and uses a Chevy Cobalt SS engine to charge an A123 Systems battery pack that is considered inferior to those made by Tesla. The electric motors are off-the-shelf units as well, unlike the custom Tesla units.

Sorry the model S is a giant leap forward from the roadster, take my comments with a grain of salt for I have never driven either one. I was however under the impression that the volt only charged by plug and that the conventional internal combustion engine propelled the car after the batteries were depleted but did not recharge the batteries. Alan

05 Smart Pure Cabriolet, Island Girl.

06 Smart Brabus Canada One Cabriolet,The One, Flying Tiger map. 

 


#9 swl

swl
  • Regular Members
  • 525 posts
  • Location:Kingston, On

Posted 05 August 2011 - 07:47 AM

This has already been achieved in the Fisker Karma. http://www.fiskerautomotive.com/#!/kar...ions/powertrain This is quite comparable to the tesla but more refined. Alan

Nice car! To be exact though it is more like a luxury Volt than a Tesla - The Tesla is is a Plug-In EV - Fiskar has an onboard motor/generator for extended range. It will be interesting to see which manufacturer woes the buyers. The cars look very similar. Wikipedia notes that Fisker was fired as the designer of the Tesla S for 'substandard work'. Tesla tried to sue him because he incorporated the best of the Tesla S design into the Kharma. Odd to think of Tesla as the establish vendor and Fisker as the upstart! It seems that the smaller more agile companies are bringing better designs to market faster and with less investments than the big three. Will Tesla be the new GM? Interesting times ahead.

#10 tolsen

tolsen
  • Regular Members
  • 3,014 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Banchory, Scotland

Posted 05 August 2011 - 12:21 PM

Toyota Rav4EV with Rav Long Ranger Hybridizing Trailer.

#11 gordo.bernard

gordo.bernard
  • Regular Members
  • 842 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Maidstone, Ontario

Posted 06 August 2011 - 06:20 AM

Why would the wheels on it steer?

Attached Thumbnails

  • long_ranger_tom08.jpg


#12 tolsen

tolsen
  • Regular Members
  • 3,014 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Banchory, Scotland

Posted 06 August 2011 - 06:45 AM

Why would the wheels on it steer?

Because the trailer is not visible to driver due to its small size perhaps?
Posted Image

#13 Graham

Graham

    "Our" departed smart. It was fun.

  • Regular Members
  • 600 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Near Kingston, Ontario

Posted 06 August 2011 - 03:52 PM

As an aside, Toyota announced that they will build the new all-electric RAV here in Ontario. It apparently uses the Tesla power train and will have a range of about 160km (without trailer!)It would be great if the EVs were supplied with a portable generator that could provide enough charge if batteries run out. If it could give you another say 20km, it would save a tow-truck fee!
'06 42 CDI Passion (sold), '85 300D, '72 350SL, '98 E320

#14 Francesco

Francesco

    CsC BoD Member

  • Directors
  • 6,214 posts
  • Location:West Island of Montreal

Posted 06 August 2011 - 04:14 PM

I thought it was being built at the former NUMMI (Toyota/GM) plant in Fremont, CA (now known as the Tesla Motors Factory) by Tesla.
Francesco

2006 fortwo cdi pulse cabrio phat red/silver/heated leather/PLUS/sound mods Tempomat/Cabriotec glass rear window/custom red silicone cdi TIK/all-LED EU pulse lamps front & rear/mud-flaps/garage opener/wiper nozzle/SGII/remap/spin-on filter/K&N air/RS grille/de dion caps/Micro DE fogs/sucker/LED angel eyes/stainless EGR delete/RS paddles/HEL braided brake lines/Bilstein B14 PSS coil-overs/PowerFlex bushings/Michalak 16" wheels coming up Blindy/custom brakes/torque damper/Morimoto

#15 gordo.bernard

gordo.bernard
  • Regular Members
  • 842 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Maidstone, Ontario

Posted 06 August 2011 - 04:45 PM

Because the trailer is not visible to driver due to its small size perhaps?
Posted Image



It still doesn't make sense yet. He has a lens to see the trailer.

Attached Thumbnails

  • rav_longranger01.jpg


#16 RedDog

RedDog
  • Regular Members
  • 142 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Red Deer, Alberta

Posted 06 August 2011 - 05:25 PM

The article linked above mentions this:

The micro trailer incorporates intelligent "BackTracker" steering which automatically maintains trailer-to-vehicle alignment during backing to avoid jack-knifing.


Edited by RedDog, 06 August 2011 - 05:26 PM.

I'd rather be dragging a club than clubbing in drag

08 Smart Passion Cabrio 08 Buell XB12XT 08 Santa Cruz Superlight 09 Rare Snowshoe Siamese Cat

#17 tolsen

tolsen
  • Regular Members
  • 3,014 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Banchory, Scotland

Posted 06 August 2011 - 10:40 PM

It still doesn't make sense yet. He has a lens to see the trailer.

Reversing a short trailer is particularly difficult, even for those with experience.

#18 Graham

Graham

    "Our" departed smart. It was fun.

  • Regular Members
  • 600 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Near Kingston, Ontario

Posted 07 August 2011 - 11:37 AM

I thought it was being built at the former NUMMI (Toyota/GM) plant in Fremont, CA (now known as the Tesla Motors Factory) by Tesla.

http://wheels.blogs....not-california/
'06 42 CDI Passion (sold), '85 300D, '72 350SL, '98 E320




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users