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@  Mike T : (29 August 2015 - 07:33 AM) I've no idea! Sorry, I rarely went there anyway. I think they had "issues". Driving to Banff today in the rain in prep for a 290 km bike ride from Jasper to Banff. Cheers
@  Francesco : (28 August 2015 - 11:24 PM) Ah. Just found Martin's tweet from January, but its link is dead so I have no details of why the club was dissolved
@  Francesco : (28 August 2015 - 10:49 PM) Hey Mike, what happened to CsQ? I haven't logged in in over a year, but it seems the lights aren't on...?
@  Francesco : (28 August 2015 - 10:39 PM) keep you eyes on the classifieds here, SCoA and CsQ, as well as Kijiji. Deals on rims pop up from time to time.
@  Francesco : (28 August 2015 - 10:36 PM) and yes, you'll find even with a one inch drop there is plenty of arch gap. I'm -1.25 in the front and -1.4 out back and it could go lower (but would drive balls). I hate the useless stanced look.
@  Francesco : (28 August 2015 - 10:34 PM) Figure a good $1400 or more to your door.
@  Francesco : (28 August 2015 - 10:33 PM) Ouch. The shipping will be more than the (discounted) 19% VAT, and then you'll likely get a collect bill from Canada Post for GST/PST and duties.
@  Surturiel : (28 August 2015 - 05:15 PM) I found these: http://www.rs-parts....r-smart450.html
@  Surturiel : (28 August 2015 - 05:15 PM) Question: With the lowered springs (Eibach, 25mm), can I still put a set of 16" on my limousine?
@  Surturiel : (28 August 2015 - 05:14 PM) I'll see what I can do...
@  Francesco : (28 August 2015 - 08:56 AM) Check with Fast Eddy to see if he'll rent you the correct tool for cheap.
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:43 PM) (like copper or aluminium)
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:43 PM) I'll try with something hard, but not as hard as steel
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:42 PM) tolsen has posted about it before. Personally I thought a couple hours of tinkering was time better spent elsewhere, and the $50 for the tool well spent
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:41 PM) you need a hardwood, soft won't do
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:41 PM) no worries, got the idea
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:40 PM) the hole being the exact size of the rod, not the disc. Sorry about the syntax
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:39 PM) A wooden clamp would work well. Drill a hole in a wooden disc the exact size of the strut rod's diameter, then cut the disc in half and add flats
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:13 PM) leather is too soft, as is rubber. I was thinking about either copper wire wound around the strut or tinfoil. and a vise Grip
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:11 PM) An old leather belt might work better, but I had no luck with it
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:10 PM) (I was thinking about a vise grip and tinfoil. you know, tinfoil is aluminum, and can potentailly protect the shock, and a vbise grip is FAR more useful than the clamp, but this is me trying to Mcgiver a solution, as usual...)
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:07 PM) ah, ok, then
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:06 PM) The strut spins freely, you need the special clamping tool to provide flats for a big open ended wrench (with this tool 47 mm)
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:03 PM) Can't I use LOTS of wd40, a t47 bit and a breaker bar?
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:01 PM) The strut clamp is a necessity. Worth every cent I paid -- making something similar myself would have taken me more time than I'd like to spend in order to save the few bucks.
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:00 PM) c'mon! I'll use twine. And optimism.
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 01:59 PM) I honestly didn't need them on the broken spring, and while handy for the lowering springs, not necessary.
@  dmoonen : (27 August 2015 - 08:06 AM) Spring compresssors are still needed. .Tolson why must you take the hard way to everything
@  Surturiel : (26 August 2015 - 03:59 PM) nah, the springs are broken, and I can use the ye old zip-tie trick. But since I'm going to put eibachs (-25mm) I won't worry.]
@  tolsen : (26 August 2015 - 03:43 PM) Clamp type spring compressors should not be used since the damage both protective coating and spring.
@  dmoonen : (26 August 2015 - 11:27 AM) The spring compressors you can borrow at Canadian tire
@  dmoonen : (26 August 2015 - 11:27 AM) I have the Mercedes strut clamp you can borrow just pay shipping and if you break it you buy it. Pm me
@  Surturiel : (26 August 2015 - 08:51 AM) thanks, guys! And... does anyone in Vancouver area have the clamp so I can "rent"?
@  dmoonen : (25 August 2015 - 06:43 PM) To and from SK*. I'm just waiting on some bits to finish the Golf build
@  dmoonen : (25 August 2015 - 06:41 PM) Still driving it, drove it to and from and average 4.7l/100l loaded to the brim.
@  Francesco : (25 August 2015 - 06:19 PM) Dillen how much did you end up getting for the wagon?
@  Francesco : (25 August 2015 - 05:13 PM) And if replacing the plastic bellows (dust boots) on the struts, cut a good 1.5" off the bottoms of them or they'll just compress around the stops and get in the way of the clamp tool
@  Francesco : (25 August 2015 - 05:11 PM) also, take a new knife blade and cut about an inch off the bump stops unless you love bottoming out on small bumps.
@  Francesco : (25 August 2015 - 05:09 PM) wont need it for the Eibachs
@  Francesco : (25 August 2015 - 05:09 PM) If the springs are broken at the top as suspected, the spring compressor might not be necessary.
@  dmoonen : (25 August 2015 - 04:49 PM) And a normal spring compressor
@  dmoonen : (25 August 2015 - 04:46 PM) Strut clamp tool*
@  dmoonen : (25 August 2015 - 04:46 PM) Lots of penetrating oil on the top nut and see if you can borrow a strut tool of you don't have the proper air tools
@  Surturiel : (25 August 2015 - 01:08 PM) Now, let's see if I can replace them without getting myself killed...
@  Surturiel : (25 August 2015 - 01:07 PM) Got the Eibach springs!
@  dmoonen : (25 August 2015 - 12:29 PM) Lol
@  Francesco : (25 August 2015 - 10:18 AM) ok, maybe MikeT
@  Francesco : (25 August 2015 - 10:18 AM) Who doesn't? Hehehe
@  dmoonen : (25 August 2015 - 07:46 AM) sounds like you have a decent to do list. .
@  Surturiel : (23 August 2015 - 08:00 PM) Perhaps even throw a set of powerflex purple bushings, and a set of 16" "space" wheels, but not now...)

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#1 lebikerboy

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Posted 29 August 2011 - 09:31 AM

Here's some info which just goes further to prove why the electric car will never be a major source of transportation for the masses... http://seekingalpha....burn-the-corpse

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Posted 29 August 2011 - 10:24 AM

The issue is not the electric car but the battery. More research time and money should be diverted to mass producing capacitors designed specifically for EV's. No rare earth materials will be needed, charging times become much quicker and capacitors will be much lighter than the batteries they will replace.

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Posted 29 August 2011 - 01:53 PM

Capacitors are not a feasible alternative, even the wonderful new ultracapacitors. Nowhere near the energy density needed. They may well have a role to play as their power density is phenomenal, so they can absorb or supply peak surge currents very well, but you need more storage than they are remotely capable of. Ultracapacitors for a limited amount of surge energy, backed up by battery storage energy is an excellent idea. Batteries can be much better storage devices if they don't have to handle sudden surges, especially charge surges (braking).Energy density = KW/H, Joules etc per unit of weight.Power density = maximum rate of charge/discharge per unit of weight.Both are important. Ultracapacitors excel at the later, suck at the former. Far more energy density than regular capacitors, still nowhere near what is needed.

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Posted 29 August 2011 - 03:41 PM

Experimental electric double-layer capacitors have demonstrated densities of 30 W∑h/kg and have been shown to be scalable to at least 136 W∑h/kg. For comparison, a conventional lead-acid battery stores typically 30 to 40 W∑h/kg and modern lithium-ion batteries about 160 W∑h/kg.

What energy density is needed to make super caps feasible?

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Posted 29 August 2011 - 05:57 PM

I'm no expert in the field. What I took from the bit of research I did was that real-world practical results were more in the range of 5-10 Wh/kg. Big difference between a single cell in a lab encased in a blast shell and a massive bank of them underneath your seat. With the extremely high potential discharge rate they make a pretty good bomb! I'm not really sure, like I say I'm no expert. Very interesting developments indeed, I'm watching it. Even at the current state they can certainly be of use for the sudden surges.

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Posted 29 August 2011 - 06:14 PM

With the extremely high potential discharge rate they make a pretty good bomb!

Fuses, breakers, IGBT's can easily and safely limit current. Gasoline can be very volatile as well.

Edited by Huronlad, 29 August 2011 - 06:16 PM.

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Posted 29 August 2011 - 06:25 PM

LGBTs?
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Posted 29 August 2011 - 06:31 PM

Internal failure, not external is the "bomb" problem. Multiple cells in the same pack, if one fails, doesn't set off the rest, and doesn't stop the functionality of the pack no biggie, if there is a cascading failure look out!Again, very interesting developments, great potential, far from realization. Not ready for prime time.

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Posted 29 August 2011 - 06:33 PM

LGBTs?

Only those in Vancouver or Montreal will get that, Francesco! :D

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Posted 29 August 2011 - 08:35 PM

Only those in Vancouver or Montreal will get that, Francesco! :D

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Posted 30 August 2011 - 04:00 AM

Internal failure, not external is the "bomb" problem.

The battery charging monitors on each cell can be used to ensure the batteries are discharging correctly as well. If the cells are not functioning correctly, either shut the whole system down and disconnect the battery out of the system or if the battery pack is broken up into sections, disconnect the affected section and limp the vehicle home. I suspect the manufacturers may go over board on safety and just have the car stop until the fault is fixed.

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 11:15 PM

Another reality check: The shocking truth about electric cars

As Dennis DesRosiers, a leading auto consultant, points out, consumers simply wonít pay a $20,000 premium for a vehicle that doesnít go very far, isnít very convenient, and runs out of juice as soon as you turn on the air conditioner. Of course, electric cars arenít in mass production yet. And the technology is bound to get better and cheaper. Right? Not so fast...Electric cars...arenít microchips, and Mooreís law doesnít apply. Electric cars arenít necessarily green at all. Electric vehicles require large amounts of electricity Ė so much that Toronto Hydro chief Anthony Haines says he doesnít know how heíd get it. ďIf you connect about 10 per cent of the homes on any given street with an electric car, the electricity system fails,Ē he said recently. And if the extra electricity isnít generated by renewable energy, then overall carbon dioxide emissions will go up, not down...



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Posted 01 September 2011 - 04:16 AM

It is going to be sometime before there are 550,000 EV in the GTA to worry about them causing brown-outs.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 05:56 AM

A lot of FUD gets spread, most of the arguments laced with herrings of a certain colour. Ontario might have difficulty (doubtful claim), but BC and Quebec would not. The FUD-spreaders claiming pollution will go up fail to mention that the amount of energy it takes simply to refine crude oil into a gallon of gasoline -- before a car ever even gets to burn that gasoline -- is more than the amount of energy used by an EV to go a gallon-equivalent distance. In other words, according to the EPA the current fortwo ED has an 85 MPGe; the amount of energy the car uses to go 85 miles is less than the amount of energy it takes to produce one gallon of gasoline. That gallon ends up in some bubba's Silverado and gets burned off to go 13 miles.
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Posted 01 September 2011 - 05:59 AM

It is going to be sometime before there are 550,000 EV in the GTA to worry about them causing brown-outs.

And as we've said before, most EVs will (logically) be plugged into smart chargers and the Smart Grid. They will be charging overnight and off-peak, when much of Ontario's excess electricity generation isn't being banked (EVs will essentially constitute an energy storage bank), but rather is being burned off needlessly. You can't simply shut down a nuclear or thermal station at night, anymore than you can stop a river from flowing.
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Posted 01 September 2011 - 10:12 AM

You can't simply shut down a nuclear or thermal station at night, anymore than you can stop a river from flowing.

Both nuclear and thermal plants can be throttled down, thermal quickly, nuclear less so. Run-of-river plants can be slowed or stopped almost instantly but the potential energy is wasted as river flow. All conventional hydro plants with a dam and lake can be throttled down and the lake just rises a few inches overnight so no waste at all.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 11:10 AM

Do they really throttle down nuclear and fossil fuel plants between 11 pm and 5 am? From all I've read it is even less efficient to do so.Either way, overnight is when most EVs will be charging. Unless Ontario is running at peak demand when everybody is asleep, I fail to see how "the electricity system fails."
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Posted 01 September 2011 - 11:24 AM

The part missing from that calculus is the energy signature of the raw materials that compose the electric car versus the ICE car.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 12:36 PM

Do they really throttle down nuclear and fossil fuel plants between 11 pm and 5 am? From all I've read it is even less efficient to do so.

All generating units are engineered to be most efficient at 100 % Most can be readily throttled, but there is a very real co$t of inefficiency that gets added onto the overall cost of production. If a thermal generating station has, say 4 units, they will leave 3 at maximum and use one for throttling. It is also a very co$tly endeavour to bring a thermal generator up to operating temperature from a shutdown, or from a low-operating level, so there is no real possibility of doing that except for planned maintenance. 'Green Generation' from Solar or Wind is so gonna really trouble systems, in that they can't allow more of it than they can have a back-up running in wait. Yup, I worked in Power Generation for over 10 years ... in a previous life ... in a previous millenium ...

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 01:10 PM

Thanks for the info, which is what I had read.
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Posted 01 September 2011 - 01:47 PM

The part missing from that calculus is the energy signature of the raw materials that compose the electric car versus the ICE car.

Well, consider that there are less moving parts and simpler mechanicals. A 35 Kg motor versus a 70 Kg engine. No transmission versus a five-speed transmission. Truly, the big difference is the Lithium ion battery pack, and it the case of the ED, it's not even that large. The battery packs in EVs (for now) are very similar to those in laptops, cordless tools and mobile devices. End-of-life recyclability of the Li-ion packs is certainly better than much of an ICE engine and its peripheral systems.
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Posted 01 September 2011 - 04:57 PM

I've never seen that discussed other than normatively by gadabouts; someone qualified at an academic institution ought to do a environmental and energy footprint comparison report.

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Posted 25 September 2011 - 05:55 PM

A European perspective: The Electric Car Nightmare.

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Posted 25 September 2011 - 07:25 PM

I can see this type argument being made 120 years ago about the present gasoline and diesel powered automobile by the horse and buggy set. It makes sense to turn all forms of potential energy into electricity and then design all items needing energy to run on electricity. My 2 cents worthRoy
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Posted 26 September 2011 - 12:34 PM

Here is a report that makes sense to me. Or you can read the summary. The article from Post #23 sounds like a rant, and I can't follow the calculations. It sounds like he expects that 13 million cars will need to be charged from completely flat in one hour on Sunday night.
2006 Pulse (SOLD)
Don't believe everything you see.




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