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@  Surturiel : (05 September 2015 - 12:04 AM) Started attacking the front. IMPOSSIBLE to split the ball joint from the control arm! also, hard as hell to take those dust caps...
@  Francesco : (04 September 2015 - 11:17 PM) I plan to install the 5mm spacer on the front tomorrow. Think they'll make any difference in reducing under steer?
@  Francesco : (04 September 2015 - 11:14 PM) we were both grinning like idiots and I turned and said, "Why would I spend fifty bucks to get into Six Flags, when I can do that for free?"
@  Francesco : (04 September 2015 - 11:13 PM) i took one at 85 kph last night with a passenger -- a gear head who is oblivious to the smart's potential -- and it blew his mind
@  Francesco : (04 September 2015 - 11:11 PM) In other news, I seem to have dialled in my tire pressures and the new rears have finally bedded in. 34 front, 29 rear seems to play nicely with the ESP, and I can now storm through cloverleaf on ramps with confidence
@  Surturiel : (04 September 2015 - 09:59 AM) thanks! Yep, right now the worst offender is the toe-in angle (after my episode with the curb)
@  dmoonen : (04 September 2015 - 09:15 AM) Alignment specs http://clubsmartcar....?showtopic=9863
@  dmoonen : (04 September 2015 - 09:14 AM) I think their made at a pasta facility lol. Front end allignment most shops should be able to do it, just get a print off after
@  Surturiel : (04 September 2015 - 08:23 AM) Speaking on the springs: they are so tiny! Even my old 106 had larger springs (even being lighter than my 450 by a good 150kg...)
@  Surturiel : (04 September 2015 - 08:21 AM) Good question: who does alignment here in Vancouver? Everywhere they either don't work on smarts or don't work on lowered suspensions...
@  Francesco : (03 September 2015 - 10:53 PM) dont forget to book an alignment with a reputable shop after e front is done. Either a smart dealership, or a shop that has done 450s before
@  Francesco : (03 September 2015 - 10:52 PM) Hehe if there are enough kms on your smart, they were probably sagging by a good 20 mm already. Go for a drive and you'll immediately fall in love with the progressive eibachs
@  Surturiel : (03 September 2015 - 09:57 PM) but the rear is done... I was kinda expecting a... more noticeable drop...
@  Surturiel : (03 September 2015 - 09:56 PM) By the way, F***ing cheap acordion jack... used twice. the bar broke...
@  dmoonen : (03 September 2015 - 03:21 PM) Lift the rear end up nice and high and drop the suspension and stuff a little scissor jack in there for clearence.
@  dmoonen : (03 September 2015 - 03:16 PM) Rears are the easy part. .
@  Surturiel : (03 September 2015 - 11:52 AM) I was expecting the rear spring swap to be easy. but that was ridiculous...
@  dmoonen : (03 September 2015 - 09:14 AM) Woop whoop
@  Surturiel : (02 September 2015 - 08:15 PM) time to have some fun
@  Surturiel : (02 September 2015 - 08:15 PM) the parts came in!
@  Mike T : (29 August 2015 - 07:33 AM) I've no idea! Sorry, I rarely went there anyway. I think they had "issues". Driving to Banff today in the rain in prep for a 290 km bike ride from Jasper to Banff. Cheers
@  Francesco : (28 August 2015 - 11:24 PM) Ah. Just found Martin's tweet from January, but its link is dead so I have no details of why the club was dissolved
@  Francesco : (28 August 2015 - 10:49 PM) Hey Mike, what happened to CsQ? I haven't logged in in over a year, but it seems the lights aren't on...?
@  Francesco : (28 August 2015 - 10:39 PM) keep you eyes on the classifieds here, SCoA and CsQ, as well as Kijiji. Deals on rims pop up from time to time.
@  Francesco : (28 August 2015 - 10:36 PM) and yes, you'll find even with a one inch drop there is plenty of arch gap. I'm -1.25 in the front and -1.4 out back and it could go lower (but would drive balls). I hate the useless stanced look.
@  Francesco : (28 August 2015 - 10:34 PM) Figure a good $1400 or more to your door.
@  Francesco : (28 August 2015 - 10:33 PM) Ouch. The shipping will be more than the (discounted) 19% VAT, and then you'll likely get a collect bill from Canada Post for GST/PST and duties.
@  Surturiel : (28 August 2015 - 05:15 PM) I found these: http://www.rs-parts....r-smart450.html
@  Surturiel : (28 August 2015 - 05:15 PM) Question: With the lowered springs (Eibach, 25mm), can I still put a set of 16" on my limousine?
@  Surturiel : (28 August 2015 - 05:14 PM) I'll see what I can do...
@  Francesco : (28 August 2015 - 08:56 AM) Check with Fast Eddy to see if he'll rent you the correct tool for cheap.
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:43 PM) (like copper or aluminium)
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:43 PM) I'll try with something hard, but not as hard as steel
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:42 PM) tolsen has posted about it before. Personally I thought a couple hours of tinkering was time better spent elsewhere, and the $50 for the tool well spent
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:41 PM) you need a hardwood, soft won't do
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:41 PM) no worries, got the idea
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:40 PM) the hole being the exact size of the rod, not the disc. Sorry about the syntax
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:39 PM) A wooden clamp would work well. Drill a hole in a wooden disc the exact size of the strut rod's diameter, then cut the disc in half and add flats
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:13 PM) leather is too soft, as is rubber. I was thinking about either copper wire wound around the strut or tinfoil. and a vise Grip
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:11 PM) An old leather belt might work better, but I had no luck with it
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:10 PM) (I was thinking about a vise grip and tinfoil. you know, tinfoil is aluminum, and can potentailly protect the shock, and a vbise grip is FAR more useful than the clamp, but this is me trying to Mcgiver a solution, as usual...)
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:07 PM) ah, ok, then
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:06 PM) The strut spins freely, you need the special clamping tool to provide flats for a big open ended wrench (with this tool 47 mm)
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:03 PM) Can't I use LOTS of wd40, a t47 bit and a breaker bar?
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:01 PM) The strut clamp is a necessity. Worth every cent I paid -- making something similar myself would have taken me more time than I'd like to spend in order to save the few bucks.
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:00 PM) c'mon! I'll use twine. And optimism.
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 01:59 PM) I honestly didn't need them on the broken spring, and while handy for the lowering springs, not necessary.
@  dmoonen : (27 August 2015 - 08:06 AM) Spring compresssors are still needed. .Tolson why must you take the hard way to everything
@  Surturiel : (26 August 2015 - 03:59 PM) nah, the springs are broken, and I can use the ye old zip-tie trick. But since I'm going to put eibachs (-25mm) I won't worry.]
@  tolsen : (26 August 2015 - 03:43 PM) Clamp type spring compressors should not be used since the damage both protective coating and spring.

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#1 quirky1

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 12:31 AM

Smart For-us: 2012 Detroit Auto Show

By Paul Lienert, Correspondent | Published Dec 6, 2011

Just the Facts:

    [*]Smart describes its battery-powered mini-pickup as a "mobility concept."
    [*]The For-us uses the electric motor and battery pack from the Smart Fortwo Electric Drive.
    [*]The interior features hammock-like seating for two.
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    STUTTGART, Germany — At the 2012 Detroit Auto Show, Smart will publicly unveil the For-us, a two-passenger, battery-powered mini-pickup that it describes as a "mobility concept."

    Smart calls the Four-us an "urban pickup" that is aimed at "the young and young-at-heart with active lives who attach importance to low emissions and taking up minimum road space."

    In fact, the For-us is one of the smallest pickups around, with an overall length of just under 140 inches — about 7 inches shorter than a Mini Cooper and virtually identical in length to the Fiat 500.

    The For-us uses the 55kW electric motor and 17.6kWh lithium-ion battery pack from the Smart Fortwo Electric Drive, which is being launched in the U.S. in spring 2012. Smart says the motor makes 96 pound-feet of torque and can propel the baby pickup to a top speed of more than 75 mph.

    The concept has some clever features, including a dashboard dock that turns your smartphone into a display for the vehicle's rearview video camera. The cockpit is finished in mother-of-pearl white with brushed-aluminum accents, and is fitted with a pair of hammock-like seats that are covered in a soft yellow fabric throw.

    The truck bed was designed to accommodate two Smart E-bikes and features a retractable tailgate and cargo floor.

    Inside Line says: Smart continues its string of clever, youthful concepts for the next generation.

    Edited by quirky1, 07 December 2011 - 12:34 AM.


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Posted 07 December 2011 - 07:52 AM

I have not been a big fan of most smart "crossover" concepts, but I have to admit this one's kind of cool.
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Posted 07 December 2011 - 07:56 AM

More here: http://www.autoweek....TROIT/111209931
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#4 Mike T

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 04:38 PM

for us, or for U.S.(A.)?

Either way, it's interesting, like a Subaru BRAT or El Camino for the 21st century.

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 07:24 AM

Ha ha! Did not see this yet. A friend emailed me the link with a title "Worlds Fastest Golf Cart" LOL!
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Posted 09 December 2011 - 12:12 PM

I'd buy one..... not that I'll ever be able to!

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#7 bilgladstone

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Posted 10 December 2011 - 01:22 AM

@ smartzuuk You know you want a clever end ;)

They have a (possibly, slightly?) more spacious version with a flat back Posted Image

Prices? You'l have to contact them - I don't see price listed on their site. This company in FLA has free shipping inside US (to your cross-border drop) on orders over $200

They also have a weird "pickup" version:

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And a folding, extendable rack thing for $99 that fits 450 or 451!

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#8 quirky1

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 02:18 AM

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America is the land of great automotive freedom, great landscapes, a love of outdoor activities and large pickups for thoroughly enjoying the "American dream". Now smart is countering the "bigger is better" mentality with a surprising new vehicle: the smart for-us Concept is small, agile and does not need any petrol thanks to its electric drive. This model, which builds on the smart forspeed and smart forvision concepts presented in 2011, celebrates its world premiere at the 2012 North American International Auto Show in Detroit. With its exterior dimensions (length/width/height: 3547/1506/1701 mm) it could almost go unnoticed on the loading area of a typical pickup, and it also anything but ordinary under the body.

smart CEO Dr. Annette Winkler says "We at smart love pick-ups - if they are small on the outside, large on the inside, very safe and extremely comfortable. With the smart for-us a petrol station is no longer required!"

smart is turning the automotive world upside down once again and challenging ideas about what an urban pickup should look like. In a tongue-in-cheek manner the for-us signals that this is the right car for the young and young-at-heart with active lives who attach importance to low emissions and taking up minimum road space. The smart for-us translates the practical loading concept of a pickup to the reality of 21st century urban traffic for the first time. Thanks to the state-of-the-art electric drive with a 55 kW magneto-electric motor the zero-emission smart for-us is agile and lively to drive.

Like car2go, the globally successful car sharing initiative from smart for more flexibility in city traffic, the smart for-us is a mobility concept. Just like the smart fortwo, which has enjoyed success around the world, it has ample room for two people, but it also has space behind for two smart ebikes, which can charge their batteries on the cargo area during the journey. From a trip into town to an outing to nearby nature reserve - the smart for-us safely transports two people and two electric bikes without producing any emissions. The ebikes on the cargo area become range extenders in two respects: thanks to the docking station on the cargo area of the smart for-us their batteries are always charged, and smart for-us drivers can also reach destinations that are out of bounds for cars - for example traffic-calmed zones in the city or isolated park trails.

The exterior: sassy and robust with extremely short overhangs

Even the first glance at the study shows that this smart can do more - yet it remains true to itself. It has a surprising, sassy and robust appearance - but thanks to the visible tridion safety cell and a number of other features it is typically smart. Furthermore, both the interior and the exterior feature a number of charming details which show that the smart designers devoted themselves to the project with the joie de vivre typical of the brand.

Compared with the series-produced fortwo the smart for-us makes a powerful statement and its appearance plays with the martial image of conventional mega-pickups. Nevertheless, it greets the viewer with a friendly yet assertive face. It features convex and sensuously shaped body surfaces. The large brand emblem is proudly sported on the grille, and the front has a pronounced three-dimensional design with an underride guard finishing off the lower part of the front end.

The for-us is raised by 50 millimetres as against the standard smart, and demonstrates that it is perfectly suited to off-road driving, for example to reach mountain bike terrain. In a later development stage the electric drive could be extended in the direction of a 4x4 with two front wheel hub motors.

The longer wheelbase (2480 mm/plus 613 mm) and the track that has been widened by 50 mm on each side also emphasise the robust look of the study. At the same time the extremely short overhangs at the front and rear make it exceedingly compact and provoke supporters of conventional pickups: small is beautiful - even as a pickup.

The smart for-us rolls on Michelin off-road tyres measuring 235/55 R 18. The wing nuts of the central mounts of the three-spoke wheels are an attractive detail: they fold out and then serve as a lever to release the wheel nuts.

The design of the rhombic front and tail lights is very striking and is reminiscent of the design of the smart forvision, which caused a stir at the Frankfurt Motor Show in September. The outer rings illuminate the indicators and daytime running lamps with a large number of rod-shaped LEDs. The lamps seem to push outwards like arrows - like drops on the cockpit window of an aeroplane as it takes off. The tail lights can even be opened and provide stowage space, for example for the charging cable or drinks cans for sporty bikers.

The tailboard at the rear of the smart for-us is electrically driven. Remote control or touching the integrated touchpad retracts the cargo floor including tailboard by 280 mm, and the tailgate then slides down in a parallel position. The cargo on the 900 mm cargo area is then extremely easy to access.

The high-gloss white metallic paintwork of the smart for-us with the tridion cell in a grey textured finish also builds a bridge to the smart forspeed presented at the 2011 Geneva Motor Show, and to the smart ebike. On the other hand, the honeycomb structure of the air inlets takes up an aspect of the smart forvision, which attracted lots of attention at the 2011 Frankfurt Motor Show. The subtle colour accents in a warm yellow establish a further visual link to the interior.

The interior: stylish, uncomplicated and highly functional

Sleek, taut surfaces in mother-of-pearl white combined with precisely designed technical functional elements in brushed aluminium - the interior is characterised by contrasts. The white metallised leather establishes a link to the instrument panel, which in turn is related to the body. The headrests featuring metallic leather are a reference to the matt-finish textured paint of the tridion safety cell and - in line with the clean design - they largely dispense with seams. Yellow adds highlights to the interior, for example on the seat belts and seat covers. Leather door trim provides a further high-quality contrast.

Like in the smart forvision, the whole cockpit boasts aerodynamic styling for interior ventilation. The control and display elements are oriented to the driver. Just as the cockpit module divides the instrument panel, the two-spoke steering wheel is open at the top. In place of a conventional rear-view mirror the smart for-us features a smartphone accommodated in a holder on top of the instrument panel support. The driver can see what is happening on the road behind with the help of an integrated video camera.

Stylish, uncomplicated, highly functional and easy to individualise - the two seats in the concept car are typically smart. The seat shells, which are open in the middle, are covered with a soft fabric throw giving them a hammock-like seating feel. Practical: when the seat cover on the passenger side is removed long items can be loaded through the seat of the smart for-us.

The study has yellow seat covers with a deep embossed silver hexagon pattern indicating a progression and thus emphasising the vehicle's dynamism. As the covers can be removed in no time at all, simple individualisation with other throws is conceivable. The seats could even be used as avant-garde seating at home or when spontaneous seating is needed outdoors.

The cargo space has two slits for the front wheels of the smart ebikes. A special docking station in the middle enables the ebikes to be charged whilst being transported on the smart for-us. And bicycle tools or other items can be accommodated in the stowage compartments on the right and left of the load space.

Electric drive: zero-local-emission driving fun

The electric drive of the smart for-us is based on the innovative drive concept of the smart fortwo electric drive, which will be launched from the spring of 2012.

Thanks to the 55 kW magneto-electric motor the smart for-us is agile and lively to drive. With 130 Newton metres of torque it boasts powerful, lag-free acceleration and it can overtake other vehicles with the greatest of ease. The maximum speed exceeds 120 km/h.

The lithium-ion battery has capacity of 17.6 kWh. When completely empty it takes a maximum of eight hours to fully charge the battery at a household socket or charging station on the electricity systems of most countries i.e. overnight.

smart ebike: urban electric mobility on two wheels

There are two smart ebikes on board the smart for-us - perfect for local-emission-free city driving. The colour of the two ebikes, which are based on the production bike to be launched by smart in the spring of 2012, has been matched to the smart for-us. Some of the components, for example the battery housing, therefore come in the highlight colour yellow.

With an unconventional design in line with the style of the brand, functions appropriate for city use and high technology standards that are demonstrated by the extremely efficient and high-performance drive package among other features, the smart ebike has an exceptional position.

High-quality components guarantee dynamic, safe and fun cycling. For example, MT4 disc brakes from Magura are fitted at the front and rear. The smart ebike also features state-of-the-art infotainment: a USB interface is a standard feature and enables various mobile end devices to be connected.

smart's high technological standards are manifested in the extremely efficient and high-performance drive package. As a "pedelec" (Pedal Electric Cycle) the smart ebike is strictly speaking a hybrid: the electric motor - a maintenance-free and brushless rear-wheel hub motor from BionX - switches on as soon as the rider starts pedalling as with a normal bicycle. Muscle power is transmitted to the rear wheel via a durable and quiet belt drive. An integrated three-speed gear hub provides for simple gear changing.

The strengths of the ebike include its agile performance: the rider of the smart ebike decides how much power he wants the 250 watt electric motor to deliver to support his muscle power by pressing a button on the handlebar. There is a choice of four power levels with the fourth and highest level providing maximum pushing power. Depending on the power level selected and the manner of cycling a battery charge can last for more than 100 kilometres.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 02:25 AM

Electric drive: zero-local-emission

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 08:26 AM

I don't understand the hullaballoo over "zero-local-emissions." The CARB definition of a "zero-emission vehicle" is that it emits no tailpipe pollutants. It's all a matter of semantics. Does the vehicle emit anything? No. That is "zero-emissions." Just because people live in places that are unfortunate enough to get their power from fossil fuel sources doesn't make that less true. In places like Québec and Denmark, one might argue that it is truly zero-emissions, but again, that's a semantic discussion.

What the "ZLE" folks and EV haters fail to realize is that it takes far more energy to produce a gallon of gasoline than it does to produce the gasoline-gallon-equivalent electricity. In other words, not including the energy expended to search for, drill, pump and transport oil, it takes an enormous amount of energy at the refinery itself just to produce the gasoline. It takes approximately 140 kwh to refine one barrel of oil into usable petroleum products. For a moment, let's assume the entire 160 litre barrel became gasoline (not physically or chemically possible, but let's just use that). That means it takes about 0.9 kwh just to refine a litre of gasoline. The smart ED should be able to travel about 7 km per kwh, so it could go over 6 km on the energy it takes just to refine a litre of gasoline. Do EV haters forget that gasoline doesn't just magically appear in the pumps?
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#11 Mike T

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 04:55 PM

But then, what is the carbon footprint of the concrete in a typical hydro dam? ;)

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 05:11 PM

or the amount of diesel used by the trucks an equipment to build a dam i just drive to many kms a day for ev to work for me. i like ev it just cant do what i need to at this time.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 05:42 PM

It's not just the electricity that is needed, it's all the mining that went into finding the rare-earth elements to make saif battery, etc.....But there is a point here. Small 'right-sized' electric vehicles are a better option than a Lincoln Navigator. If we just electrify the navigator, we've been duped.Actually, there is no real hope, we have been duped. We will succeed at killing the planet. Make yourself feel better one way or another in the meantime if it's important.

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 03:38 PM

This is an article regarding the electric smart pickup truck. http://content.usato...ickup-concept/1
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Posted 12 January 2012 - 10:33 PM

Topic merged, no need for two...




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