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@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:28 PM) and if I brake REAL hard I feel a clunk on the steering wheel)
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:27 PM) the springs are not broken (as far as I could see, at least)
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:26 PM) ( I like toffee, it goes well with pearl)
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:26 PM) nah, I don't. But I want to do something different: Toffee and chesterfield inserts in gray
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:26 PM) yeah, clunks are bad. Ball joints more than likely, but could also be sway bar links or even a broken spring (very common)
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:24 PM) if you have a leather guy, that's awesome. Mister Dotcom used to supply fitted pieces in the original smart leather. There's a trim shop in the UK now that does our cars but not sure how close it is to the original dark grey leather
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:23 PM) and the front has some clunks when I go too hard on a pothole.
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:23 PM) nice
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:22 PM) this car, although is a rebuilt, has only 65k on it
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:22 PM) yeah... my plan is: wheels/tires, suspension (nothing too fancy, I don't want to drop the car), Eddie's remap, put leather on the interior and wrap it in pearl white
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:21 PM) twit hinges? Twitchiness... Lol
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:21 PM) On our cars? The bushings will resolve some squeaks and some of the twit hinges on uneven bends. But overall, only do it if you suspect your bushes are worn out. I've only done the rear link bushings
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:19 PM) Yeah, you'll notice a better suspension, though former, makes the ride more bearable. It's counterintuitive, but ask any of the local YVR smarties who've done that.
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:19 PM) (the wheels)
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:19 PM) they're european (Poland)
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:18 PM) speaking o that, is there any REAL advantage on those powerflex bushings?
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:18 PM) you won't regret an upgrade to those sizes.
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:17 PM) suspension will come later ( my tires are going the way of the dodo...)
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:17 PM) its a great price, especially if you have a US mailing address available. Chances are they are made in Asia, but I've only ver paid Gst/pst on Asian stuff other than shoes.
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:17 PM) yep... this is what I'm planning to do... 175 and 195.
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:16 PM) oh, and while I'm at it: you will simply not benefit from wider tires (on any size rims) without suspension upgrades. At most, consider Mike's suggestion of 175/195 on 15s, which is the stock setup on the 450 pulse in europe
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:15 PM) I'll have to put spacers on the rear, but for this price, it sounds good...
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:14 PM) http://www.tirerack....M727GS&i2_Qty=2
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:14 PM) this is the wheel that I've found:
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:13 PM) I'm in Vancouver, and I already find the ride kinda harsh.
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:13 PM) where are you located?
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:13 PM) those seem like good rims, I've seen them in person before but not driven on them. I like the look
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:12 PM) for what it's worth, I'm on 40-series rubber on 16s in Quebec, home to the worst roads in North America. Do I plan my routes to get the smoothest pavement? You bet. But they are usable on our roads.
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:12 PM) I found a set of wheels at tirerack.com, the Allutec Grip3, 15", 5J and 6J, for $94 each
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:09 PM) for forged rims from North America, your choices are limited for most cars, and nonexistent for the smart
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 11:08 PM) As long as the offset is close to stock, aftermarket rims are fine. Remember,in Europe there are perhaps four OEMs that make all the alloys for all markets, regardless of brand.
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 10:58 PM) oh, ok, Mike. wide® 15" it is. anything against aftermarket ones?
@  Mike T : (05 July 2015 - 09:14 PM) 16s will give better roadholding but a worse ride. Wider 15s will probably not affect ride at all because there is the same height of rubber between the rim and road as the stylelines, but the roadholding will improve a lot; however going to 16s of the proper size will lose a half inch of rubber, giving a worse ride....and a much higher potential for rim damage.
@  Mike T : (05 July 2015 - 09:11 PM) You can use 16s, it's just that they will be damage prone and you will need to use the recommended sizes or the circumferences will differ too much between front and rear axles and the ESP will create a huge problem. Aside from that, there is not room in the 450 wheel wells for oversized tires on 16 inch rims...the rears if 205 mm in width should be 45 series not 50. Fronts should be 175/50-16.
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 08:54 PM) (what did I get into..)
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 08:54 PM) is it THAT compllicated to get 16" wheels on a 450?
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 08:45 PM) 185/50 and 205/50 r16"
@  Mike T : (05 July 2015 - 07:45 PM) You can't use 185/50 and 205/50, the ESP will freak out and the car will be undriveable. I find that 175/55-15 front and 195/50-15 rear to be the best compromise between ride and handling.
@  marchanna : (05 July 2015 - 06:31 PM) LED headlights installed
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 05:59 PM) right now I have the Stylines with 145/55 front and 175/50 rear. I find the car skitterish on the highway and the ride is kinda harsh. I was considering 16"s with 185/50 front and 205/50 back, on the Trilines. possible? Would that improve both the comfort and stability?
@  Mike T : (05 July 2015 - 04:46 PM) If you are concerned about rim damage due to rough roads, don't even consider 16s.
@  Francesco : (05 July 2015 - 04:18 PM) I think the Monoblock VI is soft, not sure if other OE smart/BRABUS rims are. Afaik the smart and BRABUS rims are all OEMd by Ronal or ATS.
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:41 AM) and what about the trilines?
@  dmoonen : (05 July 2015 - 06:48 AM) I had 17" on the rears. bra is rims are soft as butter. Had to get mine straighten out twice in a three year span
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 02:26 AM) wider 15" then?
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 02:25 AM) So, no 16" wheels on a 450?
@  Mike T : (04 July 2015 - 10:35 PM) ...to avoid bent rims
@  Mike T : (04 July 2015 - 10:11 PM) 15" BRABUS wheels are fine. The 16s need more tire than the 450 can handle.
@  Surturiel : (04 July 2015 - 08:53 PM) on a 450
@  Surturiel : (04 July 2015 - 08:52 PM) smartmadness has 3x112 to 5x112 adapters, but they are 19mm thick. and I read that this is not enough for the rear wheels using OEM mercedes wheels

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#1 dbrimmer

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 12:09 PM

Hi Guys!I have something weird with my smart passion.. I noticed that the UJ of the steering column was due so I dismantled the subframe and changed it. During the process I lubricated steering rack and replaced the ball joints as well. I installed subframe etc etc and also dashboard and battery as I had to remove them.Got on the driver seat and turned the key to ignition. There was a beep and the display showed a key sign... no start. turned off and on again, and no start. with the third time with both doors closed as initially I had passengers door open it started normaly! already something weird as normally it would start with an open door.More to come...I decided to go for a test ride! steering felt great. No knocking, but after a while the ABS and Traction control sign came on! turned off and on again for a couple of times but without any success.. Warning lights still on.Meanwhile I gathered spread tools in the garage and decided to put it in garage so that tomorrow I could investigate what's wrong. Pull down the handbreak with engine started and now the handbreak light remains on! it remained always on irrelevant if its up or downBy the way I tried the brakes to see if ABS works and nope!! No ABS..What could have gone wrong? Actually I didn't touch any sensors or electrical parts apart from battery! Is there a Reset or something when battery is disconnected and connected again after 4 days?I appreciate the help and comments you'll post..Thanks again,Daniel

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 12:33 PM

Steering wheel angle sensor. The control systems need to know the angle of the steering to know how much difference in wheel speeds to expect. The steering wheel probably got turned a bit with the UJ off, and it's now out of position.Handbrake light is not just the handbrake, any braking system fault will set it off. No specific idea.

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 12:39 PM

Hi Daniel, What you are describing here sounds like the immobilizer. Just press the unlock button on the key with the ignition in the off position to reset it.

Got on the driver seat and turned the key to ignition. There was a beep and the display showed a key sign... no start. turned off and on again, and no start. with the third time with both doors closed as initially I had passengers door open it started normaly! already something weird as normally it would start with an open door.

As to your other problem with the ABS it sounds like a classic case of a cracked reluctor ring on one of the rear wheels ( the flat metal disk with the toothed notches behind the brake drum). I am confused as to why it just started when you did the steering repair. You said you removed the dashboard, perhaps you forgot to hook up a connector somewhere? Canman
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#4 dbrimmer

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 01:06 PM

Steering wheel angle sensor. The control systems need to know the angle of the steering to know how much difference in wheel speeds to expect. The steering wheel probably got turned a bit with the UJ off, and it's now out of position. Handbrake light is not just the handbrake, any braking system fault will set it off. No specific idea.

Hi Alex, Well the steering wheel was removed together with the steering column. steering wheel was not disconnected from column so I cannot understand what wheel angle sensor could result with! is there any sensor for the steering wheel? Thanks

#5 dbrimmer

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 01:10 PM

Hi Daniel, What you are describing here sounds like the immobilizer. Just press the unlock button on the key with the ignition in the off position to reset it. As to your other problem with the ABS it sounds like a classic case of a cracked reluctor ring on one of the rear wheels ( the flat metal disk with the toothed notches behind the brake drum). I am confused as to why it just started when you did the steering repair. You said you removed the dashboard, perhaps you forgot to hook up a connector somewhere? Canman

I will give a check from dashboard side. maybe there is something which i have not connected! but yes your right.. its weired how this all happened when I dis-assembled the steering column.. there should be something in common... Thanks mate:)

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 01:18 PM

Daniel,I forgot about the steering wheel angle sensor.Alex is right, you will have to take your car to Mercedes to recalibrate the steering wheel angle sensor with a Star machine.Canman
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Posted 17 February 2012 - 01:25 PM

Evilution has instructions on how to set steering angle sensor to zero. http://www.evilution...ndex.php?id=715

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 12:51 AM

Thanks a lot for you help guys!! you're great :))




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