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@  dmoonen : (05 September 2015 - 04:28 AM) Anyone on here have a cummins?
@  Surturiel : (05 September 2015 - 12:04 AM) Started attacking the front. IMPOSSIBLE to split the ball joint from the control arm! also, hard as hell to take those dust caps...
@  Francesco : (04 September 2015 - 11:17 PM) I plan to install the 5mm spacer on the front tomorrow. Think they'll make any difference in reducing under steer?
@  Francesco : (04 September 2015 - 11:14 PM) we were both grinning like idiots and I turned and said, "Why would I spend fifty bucks to get into Six Flags, when I can do that for free?"
@  Francesco : (04 September 2015 - 11:13 PM) i took one at 85 kph last night with a passenger -- a gear head who is oblivious to the smart's potential -- and it blew his mind
@  Francesco : (04 September 2015 - 11:11 PM) In other news, I seem to have dialled in my tire pressures and the new rears have finally bedded in. 34 front, 29 rear seems to play nicely with the ESP, and I can now storm through cloverleaf on ramps with confidence
@  Surturiel : (04 September 2015 - 09:59 AM) thanks! Yep, right now the worst offender is the toe-in angle (after my episode with the curb)
@  dmoonen : (04 September 2015 - 09:15 AM) Alignment specs http://clubsmartcar....?showtopic=9863
@  dmoonen : (04 September 2015 - 09:14 AM) I think their made at a pasta facility lol. Front end allignment most shops should be able to do it, just get a print off after
@  Surturiel : (04 September 2015 - 08:23 AM) Speaking on the springs: they are so tiny! Even my old 106 had larger springs (even being lighter than my 450 by a good 150kg...)
@  Surturiel : (04 September 2015 - 08:21 AM) Good question: who does alignment here in Vancouver? Everywhere they either don't work on smarts or don't work on lowered suspensions...
@  Francesco : (03 September 2015 - 10:53 PM) dont forget to book an alignment with a reputable shop after e front is done. Either a smart dealership, or a shop that has done 450s before
@  Francesco : (03 September 2015 - 10:52 PM) Hehe if there are enough kms on your smart, they were probably sagging by a good 20 mm already. Go for a drive and you'll immediately fall in love with the progressive eibachs
@  Surturiel : (03 September 2015 - 09:57 PM) but the rear is done... I was kinda expecting a... more noticeable drop...
@  Surturiel : (03 September 2015 - 09:56 PM) By the way, F***ing cheap acordion jack... used twice. the bar broke...
@  dmoonen : (03 September 2015 - 03:21 PM) Lift the rear end up nice and high and drop the suspension and stuff a little scissor jack in there for clearence.
@  dmoonen : (03 September 2015 - 03:16 PM) Rears are the easy part. .
@  Surturiel : (03 September 2015 - 11:52 AM) I was expecting the rear spring swap to be easy. but that was ridiculous...
@  dmoonen : (03 September 2015 - 09:14 AM) Woop whoop
@  Surturiel : (02 September 2015 - 08:15 PM) time to have some fun
@  Surturiel : (02 September 2015 - 08:15 PM) the parts came in!
@  Mike T : (29 August 2015 - 07:33 AM) I've no idea! Sorry, I rarely went there anyway. I think they had "issues". Driving to Banff today in the rain in prep for a 290 km bike ride from Jasper to Banff. Cheers
@  Francesco : (28 August 2015 - 11:24 PM) Ah. Just found Martin's tweet from January, but its link is dead so I have no details of why the club was dissolved
@  Francesco : (28 August 2015 - 10:49 PM) Hey Mike, what happened to CsQ? I haven't logged in in over a year, but it seems the lights aren't on...?
@  Francesco : (28 August 2015 - 10:39 PM) keep you eyes on the classifieds here, SCoA and CsQ, as well as Kijiji. Deals on rims pop up from time to time.
@  Francesco : (28 August 2015 - 10:36 PM) and yes, you'll find even with a one inch drop there is plenty of arch gap. I'm -1.25 in the front and -1.4 out back and it could go lower (but would drive balls). I hate the useless stanced look.
@  Francesco : (28 August 2015 - 10:34 PM) Figure a good $1400 or more to your door.
@  Francesco : (28 August 2015 - 10:33 PM) Ouch. The shipping will be more than the (discounted) 19% VAT, and then you'll likely get a collect bill from Canada Post for GST/PST and duties.
@  Surturiel : (28 August 2015 - 05:15 PM) I found these: http://www.rs-parts....r-smart450.html
@  Surturiel : (28 August 2015 - 05:15 PM) Question: With the lowered springs (Eibach, 25mm), can I still put a set of 16" on my limousine?
@  Surturiel : (28 August 2015 - 05:14 PM) I'll see what I can do...
@  Francesco : (28 August 2015 - 08:56 AM) Check with Fast Eddy to see if he'll rent you the correct tool for cheap.
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:43 PM) (like copper or aluminium)
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:43 PM) I'll try with something hard, but not as hard as steel
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:42 PM) tolsen has posted about it before. Personally I thought a couple hours of tinkering was time better spent elsewhere, and the $50 for the tool well spent
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:41 PM) you need a hardwood, soft won't do
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:41 PM) no worries, got the idea
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:40 PM) the hole being the exact size of the rod, not the disc. Sorry about the syntax
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:39 PM) A wooden clamp would work well. Drill a hole in a wooden disc the exact size of the strut rod's diameter, then cut the disc in half and add flats
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:13 PM) leather is too soft, as is rubber. I was thinking about either copper wire wound around the strut or tinfoil. and a vise Grip
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:11 PM) An old leather belt might work better, but I had no luck with it
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:10 PM) (I was thinking about a vise grip and tinfoil. you know, tinfoil is aluminum, and can potentailly protect the shock, and a vbise grip is FAR more useful than the clamp, but this is me trying to Mcgiver a solution, as usual...)
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:07 PM) ah, ok, then
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:06 PM) The strut spins freely, you need the special clamping tool to provide flats for a big open ended wrench (with this tool 47 mm)
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:03 PM) Can't I use LOTS of wd40, a t47 bit and a breaker bar?
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 02:01 PM) The strut clamp is a necessity. Worth every cent I paid -- making something similar myself would have taken me more time than I'd like to spend in order to save the few bucks.
@  Surturiel : (27 August 2015 - 02:00 PM) c'mon! I'll use twine. And optimism.
@  Francesco : (27 August 2015 - 01:59 PM) I honestly didn't need them on the broken spring, and while handy for the lowering springs, not necessary.
@  dmoonen : (27 August 2015 - 08:06 AM) Spring compresssors are still needed. .Tolson why must you take the hard way to everything
@  Surturiel : (26 August 2015 - 03:59 PM) nah, the springs are broken, and I can use the ye old zip-tie trick. But since I'm going to put eibachs (-25mm) I won't worry.]

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Adac Crash Test - Fiat 500, Fortwo, Twingo, Picanto

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#1 Mike T

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 03:50 PM

ADAC has just completed a test of four small cars to see whether they can provide significant protection in collisions with larger vehicles.


Only the smart was judged to achieve an adequate level of protection to its occupants.

Daimler Media Services Press Release:

Stuttgart – When a small car collides with a larger one, the smaller vehicle draws the short straw. This is confirmed by the latest ADAC crash test. With one exception: in this David-and-Goliath clash the smart fortwo was the only small car able to prevent life-threatening injuries to the driver from severe trauma to the chest.

The standard EuroNCAP crash test simulates a frontal collision with a vehicle of the same weight. In contrast, for the first time the ADAC had four smaller models crash into a barrier vehicle equivalent to a lower-end mid-sized car. Further, in this first compatibility crash test the unequally matched parties to the accident collided with an offset of 50 percent. This is because, according to the ADAC, in an accident it is usually vehicles of different weights that collide, usually with a degree of lateral offset.

The horrifying outcome of the crash test is that life-threatening injuries in the chest region are commonplace in smaller vehicles. Only the smart fortwo protected its driver from such injuries – despite being the smallest and lightest vehicle in the test.

According to the ADAC, the reasons for the alarming test results lie partly
in the fact that the short crumple zone of smaller vehicles cannot absorb sufficient energy and the forces unleashed during an accident are often not conducted to the corresponding energy-absorbing components.

The smart fortwo owes its good crash test result to an innovative construction based on examinations of actual accident scenarios conducted by Mercedes-Benz Cars as opposed to focusing solely on the requirements of EU and American laws. Collisions with other vehicles in different constellations were therefore also taken into account during the development phase of the

smart fortwo. Because the constructional crash-safety provisions and restraint systems of all vehicles of Mercedes-Benz Cars satisfy such strict, internal standards that in part go way beyond the statutory requirements, they have also proved themselves in everyday practice. The same goes for the smart fortwo.

The safety concept of the smart fortwo is as follows:

The tridion safety cell protects its occupants like the hard shell around a nut. Its structure is additionally reinforced with high-strength and ultra-high-strength steel at strategically important points (more than 50 percent).

The tridion safety cell’s longitudinal and transverse members activate the crumple zone of the other vehicle involved in the accident and distribute the impact energy evenly over the car’s body.

And in case of a collision, the wheels also take on the function of crumple zones. When this happens, the front wheels are supported by the side members.

The rear-mounted engine enables a larger crumple zone at the front and acts as a shock-absorbing unit that absorbs the impact energy in a rebound.

Thanks to the sandwich-type construction of the tridion safety cell, the passengers are usually somewhat above the direct danger zone in the event of a side impact. Further, in the case of a side impact, the other vehicle almost always hits an axle that can absorb impact energy due to the relatively short wheelbase.

All interior trims have been optimised to prevent injuries to occupants. And the soft foam-backed lower instrument panel (knee pad) offers protection for the passengers' knees and lower legs.

The door structure is reinforced by high-strength sheet metal at
key points.

Other standard safety features in the smart fortwo are ESP with ABS and brake assist (BAS), wide track width, seat belts with belt tensioner and belt-force limiter, safety seats with integral seat belts, airbags.

However, it is not only the smart fortwo driver who benefits: due to its low weight it has little impact on the other vehicle involved in the accident and causes a minimum of damage.

The result of the latest ADAC crash test was summed up by the popular German newspaper “Bild”: “Only the smart is truly smart.”

More and more buyers agree with this opinion. More than 1.4 million smart fortwos have been delivered to customers since the first model was launched in 1998. 101,996 smart fortwos were handed over to customers worldwide in 2011 – 4.6 percent more than in the previous year. What they like about this trendsetter of individual urban mobility is above all its high fun factor, its high ecological standards and the compact dimensions of the two-seater that is peerless in terms of how little road and parking space it takes up. However, its sophisticated safety strategy is also persuasive, as the latest ADAC crash test underlines.

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