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@  marchanna : (28 July 2015 - 11:51 AM) Yup. Sometimes the simplest is the best.
@  Mike T : (28 July 2015 - 11:07 AM) Best idea yet!
@  marchanna : (28 July 2015 - 08:39 AM) It fits nicely in the back of the Benz if I put the seats down. I just thought it would be novel to put it on the back of the Smart.
@  Francesco : (27 July 2015 - 08:10 PM) Or wheelie bars
@  Mike T : (27 July 2015 - 08:07 PM) Preferably, use a larger vehicle.
@  Francesco : (27 July 2015 - 08:05 PM) I would think a trailer is your only option. The physics is just wrong in a couple of dimensions to be hanging 300 lbs behind the rear wheels
@  marchanna : (27 July 2015 - 07:27 PM) Check it out: can-drift.com
@  marchanna : (27 July 2015 - 07:21 PM) It's an electric drift trike. I wanted to see if I could fab a vertical rack on the back of the Smart. The trike weighs about 200lbs - I could probably build an aluminum rack as light as 50lbs - but that still the exceeds the tongue weight of the hitches, thought maybe the towing bolt holes could hold a little more weight.
@  Francesco : (27 July 2015 - 04:50 PM) even the trunk weight is recommended to be no more than 50 kg...
@  Francesco : (27 July 2015 - 04:49 PM) Wow, I have no idea what you're attempting but that sounds like too much weight for the rear of the smart altogether, not just for the two bolts.
@  marchanna : (27 July 2015 - 08:01 AM) I want to hold about 300lbs across of them.
@  marchanna : (27 July 2015 - 07:59 AM) Yes
@  Francesco : (27 July 2015 - 07:43 AM) Vertical?
@  marchanna : (27 July 2015 - 06:32 AM) Anyone know how much load the towing eye bolt hold in the rear bumper of a 451 can carry?
@  NelsonSmart : (19 July 2015 - 11:59 AM) The ECU computer will have to be set with Star or Equiv to get light off.
@  Surturiel : (19 July 2015 - 10:10 AM) all, and all, the only damage was sustained by the tire (that was old already)(aside, of course, from the airbag...)
@  Surturiel : (19 July 2015 - 10:09 AM) yep, talk about overreaction. i hit the curb, the airbag blows up on my ear, and the car shuts down...
@  dmoonen : (19 July 2015 - 06:58 AM) Lol air bag went off? That's a bit drastic. The car shuts down in a case of an accident so cycling the key makes sense.
@  Surturiel : (18 July 2015 - 09:43 PM) (with the airbag...)
@  Surturiel : (18 July 2015 - 09:43 PM) anyone have by any chance an used passenger seat for a 450 fortwo, passion? (dark gray)
@  Surturiel : (18 July 2015 - 08:08 PM) turns out that you have to turn everything ( including the hazards) off to get the car to work again...)
@  Surturiel : (18 July 2015 - 08:07 PM) (I mean, the car just DIED. I was there, stunned, trying to figure out why I couldn't get it running)
@  Surturiel : (18 July 2015 - 08:05 PM) (that thing surely is loud, got me half deaf for a while. Also, the whole smart crash routine got me REALLY startled)
@  Surturiel : (18 July 2015 - 08:02 PM) but do I need to do anything aside from replacing the airbag to get the light off?
@  Surturiel : (18 July 2015 - 08:01 PM) springs and everything
@  Surturiel : (18 July 2015 - 08:01 PM) will service the suspension soon
@  Mike T : (18 July 2015 - 07:17 PM) check the toe setting
@  Surturiel : (18 July 2015 - 04:41 PM) (the front wheel and suspension are fine, the tire needed to be replaced)
@  Surturiel : (18 July 2015 - 04:40 PM) so, aside from needing to replace the airbag itself, do I need to do anything special to get the light off? (time to find a used passenger grey 450 seat)
@  Surturiel : (18 July 2015 - 04:38 PM) (the seat one)
@  Surturiel : (18 July 2015 - 04:38 PM) but my smart, being the overprotective nanny that it is, decided that my integrity was at risk and BLEW UP THE SIDE AIRBAG !
@  Surturiel : (18 July 2015 - 04:37 PM) i hit a curb (because I'm a blind dumbass that misjudged the curb height) 

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#1 RDL

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 12:56 PM

There were two main threads on changing Brake Pads which caused me anxiety. The E18 socket approach appeared to be nonsense because the E18 is based on 6 sided Torx while the problem bolt was 5 sided. The pentagonal socket is not easy to find. Penta_Bolt_annotated.jpg MightyMouseTech saved my day with his clear instruction which I support with a few pictures. Tilting the caliper rather than removing it. Brake_Caliper_annotated.jpg In short MightyMouseTech warns DO NOT REMOVE THE 5 SIDED BOLT. The picture above demonstrates that the Brake Pads are changed by tilting the calipers rather than removing them. Only the top bolt has to be removed. NOTE: the bolt, with blue thread lock, was placed in the caliper only to complete the picture.
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Posted 14 October 2012 - 04:15 PM

I thought that's SOP... every online guide (evilution, fq101) and every how-to here at CsC says to just remove the E18 and tilt the slider up out of the way...

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 06:59 PM

I removed mine on one side only, to change the calliper support. Interestingly, the replacement support does not use a pentagonal bolt.But yah, why remove it for a mere pad change?

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 05:10 AM

What about changing the rotors? Isn't that needed?

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 05:22 AM

I wish I had noticed the Evilution tutorial. http://www.evilution...ndex.php?id=279 It was my impression that several threads advocated the removal of the 5 sided bolt, to replace the pads, which is the reason for starting a new thread.
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Posted 15 October 2012 - 06:04 AM

What about changing the rotors? Isn't that needed?

No, for that you remove both E18s on the caliper bracket. The the slider is just 13 and 17 mm wrenches and some muscle. FWIW I found it necessary to use a U-joint and breaker bar with a short pipe extension to get enough torque to break the E18s free. http://www.fq101.co....s-and-pads.html ETA: I just noticed in my post above I misremembered. The slider doesn't use the E18, just a 13 mm bolt.

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#7 Alex

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 06:22 AM

Ideally I think that pentabolt should be removed after long service to lube it. Perhaps with a rotor change, which is usually every second pad change. "Lubed for life" may apply in a warm dry salt-free climate, but not for our cars!

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 12:13 PM

I replaced those penta bolts with standard hex bolts years ago. You should all do same at the earliest opportunity.

By the way, it looks like you may have a problem.
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Has the rubber gaiter sheared off in way of the narrowest section?

This can easily happen when you do not remove both bolts but swing calliper on lower bolt instead.

Edited by tolsen, 15 October 2012 - 12:16 PM.


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Posted 27 November 2012 - 10:48 AM

I thought that's SOP... every online guide (evilution, fq101) and every how-to here at CsC says to just remove the E18 and tilt the slider up out of the way...

[size=3]Have you found a source for a penta bolt socket & if so, what size is it? I like to clean & lubricate the caliper sliders because of the road salt that's used where I live rusts everything terribly.

Edited by diesel4me, 27 November 2012 - 11:25 AM.





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