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@  steveyfrac : (21 September 2014 - 09:21 PM) Fair enough. :D
@  dmoonen : (21 September 2014 - 07:26 PM) Agreed Stevey but something has to pay for modifying, fixing and towing the smarts :P
@  dmoonen : (21 September 2014 - 07:23 PM) Why not buy another one but smaller and make it lower :P
@  dmoonen : (21 September 2014 - 07:23 PM) Haha yeah wanted another one for towing. My other one (lifted crew cab long bed 32ft long) doesn't fit in the garage.
@  steveyfrac : (21 September 2014 - 07:15 PM) Odd choice for a Smart enthusiast... :D
@  dmoonen : (21 September 2014 - 06:58 PM) Bought another Duramax, loweing it 2" :0
@  marchanna : (20 September 2014 - 07:30 PM) **confused**
@  FlossyTheSmart : (20 September 2014 - 10:50 AM) nope, just gibberish
@  Francesco : (20 September 2014 - 10:09 AM) Let me guess: QuickType on your new iPhone 6?
@  FlossyTheSmart : (20 September 2014 - 09:10 AM) Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like?
@  Mike T : (20 September 2014 - 08:17 AM) gabba gabba hey
@  cadillacman : (20 September 2014 - 07:58 AM) this is like the smell of the colour nine
@  Francesco : (20 September 2014 - 07:48 AM) I think Lazer was my favourite American Gladiator
@  marchanna : (20 September 2014 - 04:37 AM) random?
@  you-are : (19 September 2014 - 09:17 PM) turbo
@  marchanna : (19 September 2014 - 07:07 PM) fair enough
@  FlossyTheSmart : (19 September 2014 - 07:02 PM) It's certainly not concerning enough to put any man-hours into it.
@  marchanna : (19 September 2014 - 07:01 PM) True, but if the moderator didn't approve it then it would be deleted and the space would be reclaimed. The issue of bandwidth however still remains, and I don't know if that is an issue or not.
@  FlossyTheSmart : (19 September 2014 - 06:56 PM) If you needed moderator approval, the image would still have to be uploaded and the space would still be taken up ;)  But we're not really that close to the limit anyway.  The inability to mass upload a huge number of pictures all at once though is naturally slowing the rate at which we fill up though.
@  marchanna : (19 September 2014 - 06:53 PM) Maybe for the time being having a moderator approval for all uploaded images to ensure space isn't exceeded.

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Brake Calipers - E18 Or Penta Socket ?


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#1 RDL

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 12:56 PM

There were two main threads on changing Brake Pads which caused me anxiety. The E18 socket approach appeared to be nonsense because the E18 is based on 6 sided Torx while the problem bolt was 5 sided. The pentagonal socket is not easy to find. Penta_Bolt_annotated.jpg MightyMouseTech saved my day with his clear instruction which I support with a few pictures. Tilting the caliper rather than removing it. Brake_Caliper_annotated.jpg In short MightyMouseTech warns DO NOT REMOVE THE 5 SIDED BOLT. The picture above demonstrates that the Brake Pads are changed by tilting the calipers rather than removing them. Only the top bolt has to be removed. NOTE: the bolt, with blue thread lock, was placed in the caliper only to complete the picture.
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#2 Francesco

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 04:15 PM

I thought that's SOP... every online guide (evilution, fq101) and every how-to here at CsC says to just remove the E18 and tilt the slider up out of the way...
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#3 Mike T

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 06:59 PM

I removed mine on one side only, to change the calliper support. Interestingly, the replacement support does not use a pentagonal bolt.But yah, why remove it for a mere pad change?
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Posted 15 October 2012 - 05:10 AM

What about changing the rotors? Isn't that needed?
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#5 RDL

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 05:22 AM

I wish I had noticed the Evilution tutorial. http://www.evilution...ndex.php?id=279 It was my impression that several threads advocated the removal of the 5 sided bolt, to replace the pads, which is the reason for starting a new thread.
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#6 Francesco

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 06:04 AM

What about changing the rotors? Isn't that needed?

No, for that you remove both E18s on the caliper bracket. The the slider is just 13 and 17 mm wrenches and some muscle. FWIW I found it necessary to use a U-joint and breaker bar with a short pipe extension to get enough torque to break the E18s free. http://www.fq101.co....s-and-pads.html ETA: I just noticed in my post above I misremembered. The slider doesn't use the E18, just a 13 mm bolt.
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#7 Alex

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 06:22 AM

Ideally I think that pentabolt should be removed after long service to lube it. Perhaps with a rotor change, which is usually every second pad change. "Lubed for life" may apply in a warm dry salt-free climate, but not for our cars!

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 12:13 PM

I replaced those penta bolts with standard hex bolts years ago. You should all do same at the earliest opportunity.

By the way, it looks like you may have a problem.
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Has the rubber gaiter sheared off in way of the narrowest section?

This can easily happen when you do not remove both bolts but swing calliper on lower bolt instead.

Edited by tolsen, 15 October 2012 - 12:16 PM.


#9 diesel4me

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 10:48 AM

I thought that's SOP... every online guide (evilution, fq101) and every how-to here at CsC says to just remove the E18 and tilt the slider up out of the way...

[size=3]Have you found a source for a penta bolt socket & if so, what size is it? I like to clean & lubricate the caliper sliders because of the road salt that's used where I live rusts everything terribly.

Edited by diesel4me, 27 November 2012 - 11:25 AM.





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