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@  cadillacman : (01 February 2015 - 05:25 AM) I was planning on looking it over on Mon aft, they are closed today
@  Francesco : (31 January 2015 - 10:46 PM) Anyone near eastern GTA wanna check it out? $3k is stratospheric for a broken parts car, but if it's more or less intact and maybe just chewed its oil chain...
@  SkydiverChris : (31 January 2015 - 01:09 PM) That's certainly not mine...sounds like that one is an accident car and being sold as is...
@  Francesco : (30 January 2015 - 11:20 PM) grandstyle? http://www.usedvehic...mGqvvmPGzzGLvBP
@  steveyfrac : (30 January 2015 - 10:15 AM) Oddly enough, my last smart I sold for the Cobalt... :D
@  SkydiverChris : (29 January 2015 - 02:15 PM) Cool, that's good to hear! I take delivery tomorrow. I will miss my Smart, but the lack of heat when it's colder than -20...I will not miss.
@  steveyfrac : (29 January 2015 - 12:40 PM) I had a cobalt, the Cruze predecessor. It was a great car.
@  dmoonen : (28 January 2015 - 07:01 AM) I think I test drove one three or four times.
@  dmoonen : (28 January 2015 - 07:00 AM) Oh fun. I like the Cruze's actually. . One of those rare gm vehicles I'd actually buy.
@  SkydiverChris : (27 January 2015 - 02:55 PM) Now instead of a used 2014 Civic, I bought a new 2015 Chevy Cruze. Exhausting week...
@  SkydiverChris : (27 January 2015 - 02:54 PM) For those interested, an advertised price MUST include ALL fees, except HST and licensing. Details here: https://www.omvic.on...InPricing.aspx#
@  SkydiverChris : (27 January 2015 - 02:53 PM) What a crazy few days...I bought a car on Saturday, and had to back out becasue the dealer broke the law. Bought a second car today after fighting with the first dealer to get out of their contract and get my deposit back.
@  jwight : (25 January 2015 - 08:46 AM) Can't be done legally and I'm not willing to do it any other way. Still, great price on a nice car.
@  SkydiverChris : (25 January 2015 - 04:50 AM) Hey Jwight, if you're interested, please feel fre to make an offer. I'm VERY negotiable. We take deliver of our new Civic this coming Saturday. I know a few people have imported the cars, but I don't know all the rules.
@  jwight : (23 January 2015 - 07:48 AM) Chris, that's a good deal on the car. If I could get it into the States legally, I'd consider it.
@  SkydiverChris : (22 January 2015 - 02:58 PM) FYI everyone, I just put my Grandstyle up for sale in the classifieds. If it doesn't go with the car, I have a KWP2000 and a STAR computer that I won't need anymore.
@  2006 smarty : (21 January 2015 - 12:47 PM) found it....right in front of my face :)
@  2006 smarty : (21 January 2015 - 09:05 AM) does anyone know how i can find/search a previous topic (lowering engine) in the how-to 450 model forum?
@  SkydiverChris : (20 January 2015 - 03:47 PM) If it starts rubbing again, I'll be doing it outside in -15c tomorrow afternoon
@  SkydiverChris : (20 January 2015 - 03:46 PM) Nah, only the rear passenger tire. I think that the adjuster got too tight. I took it apart just now and loosened the adjuster to last me the rest of the week. New brakes and drums are arriving in the morning. If it doesn't start touching again, I'll do it this weekend
@  Mike T : (20 January 2015 - 07:25 AM) frozen HB cable?
@  SkydiverChris : (20 January 2015 - 06:14 AM) Mine's been running great after all the starting issues last year. I drove to work this morning though with my passenger brake rubbing. Boy was that drum warm when I got to work!
@  SkydiverChris : (20 January 2015 - 06:08 AM) Hey everyone, it's been a while! Hope everyone car is still running like a whistle!

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Brake Calipers - E18 Or Penta Socket ?


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#1 RDL

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 12:56 PM

There were two main threads on changing Brake Pads which caused me anxiety. The E18 socket approach appeared to be nonsense because the E18 is based on 6 sided Torx while the problem bolt was 5 sided. The pentagonal socket is not easy to find. Penta_Bolt_annotated.jpg MightyMouseTech saved my day with his clear instruction which I support with a few pictures. Tilting the caliper rather than removing it. Brake_Caliper_annotated.jpg In short MightyMouseTech warns DO NOT REMOVE THE 5 SIDED BOLT. The picture above demonstrates that the Brake Pads are changed by tilting the calipers rather than removing them. Only the top bolt has to be removed. NOTE: the bolt, with blue thread lock, was placed in the caliper only to complete the picture.
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#2 Francesco

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 04:15 PM

I thought that's SOP... every online guide (evilution, fq101) and every how-to here at CsC says to just remove the E18 and tilt the slider up out of the way...
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Posted 14 October 2012 - 06:59 PM

I removed mine on one side only, to change the calliper support. Interestingly, the replacement support does not use a pentagonal bolt.But yah, why remove it for a mere pad change?

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 05:10 AM

What about changing the rotors? Isn't that needed?

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#5 RDL

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 05:22 AM

I wish I had noticed the Evilution tutorial. http://www.evilution...ndex.php?id=279 It was my impression that several threads advocated the removal of the 5 sided bolt, to replace the pads, which is the reason for starting a new thread.
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#6 Francesco

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 06:04 AM

What about changing the rotors? Isn't that needed?

No, for that you remove both E18s on the caliper bracket. The the slider is just 13 and 17 mm wrenches and some muscle. FWIW I found it necessary to use a U-joint and breaker bar with a short pipe extension to get enough torque to break the E18s free. http://www.fq101.co....s-and-pads.html ETA: I just noticed in my post above I misremembered. The slider doesn't use the E18, just a 13 mm bolt.
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#7 Alex

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 06:22 AM

Ideally I think that pentabolt should be removed after long service to lube it. Perhaps with a rotor change, which is usually every second pad change. "Lubed for life" may apply in a warm dry salt-free climate, but not for our cars!

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 12:13 PM

I replaced those penta bolts with standard hex bolts years ago. You should all do same at the earliest opportunity.

By the way, it looks like you may have a problem.
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Has the rubber gaiter sheared off in way of the narrowest section?

This can easily happen when you do not remove both bolts but swing calliper on lower bolt instead.

Edited by tolsen, 15 October 2012 - 12:16 PM.


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Posted 27 November 2012 - 10:48 AM

I thought that's SOP... every online guide (evilution, fq101) and every how-to here at CsC says to just remove the E18 and tilt the slider up out of the way...

[size=3]Have you found a source for a penta bolt socket & if so, what size is it? I like to clean & lubricate the caliper sliders because of the road salt that's used where I live rusts everything terribly.

Edited by diesel4me, 27 November 2012 - 11:25 AM.





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