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@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 11:41 AM) and what about the trilines?
@  dmoonen : (05 July 2015 - 06:48 AM) I had 17" on the rears. bra is rims are soft as butter. Had to get mine straighten out twice in a three year span
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 02:26 AM) wider 15" then?
@  Surturiel : (05 July 2015 - 02:25 AM) So, no 16" wheels on a 450?
@  Mike T : (04 July 2015 - 10:35 PM) ...to avoid bent rims
@  Mike T : (04 July 2015 - 10:11 PM) 15" BRABUS wheels are fine. The 16s need more tire than the 450 can handle.
@  Surturiel : (04 July 2015 - 08:53 PM) on a 450
@  Surturiel : (04 July 2015 - 08:52 PM) smartmadness has 3x112 to 5x112 adapters, but they are 19mm thick. and I read that this is not enough for the rear wheels using OEM mercedes wheels
@  Surturiel : (04 July 2015 - 08:49 PM) So, no Brabus?
@  Mike T : (04 July 2015 - 08:47 PM) Used 16s out of Europe would be fraction of 3 grand. But the 16 inch BRABUS wheels are like bubble gum. Fairly warned be thee says I
@  Surturiel : (04 July 2015 - 08:47 PM) nope. there's no 6x112 pattern.
@  NelsonSmart : (04 July 2015 - 10:03 AM) There must be some 16"rims with 6 holes that could have the same offset that may work, that will take research/investigation
@  Surturiel : (04 July 2015 - 09:12 AM) any options on 16" wheels that don't end up costing almost 3k, then?
@  cadillacman : (04 July 2015 - 04:27 AM) the adaptors are going to act as a spacer kit, which will increase the offset, which will put a bit more stress on the bearings, we have delicate bearings
@  SmartED : (04 July 2015 - 04:15 AM) Going to the five lug application does improve your options in terms of wheel choices because there is a lot more out there. But, is it worth it? I don't know and I'm sure others more informed will join in.
@  Surturiel : (03 July 2015 - 04:01 PM) Question ( as usual) I'm investigating the whole 3 to 5 lug adapters for wheels. worth the time/investiment?
@  Surturiel : (03 July 2015 - 04:00 PM) hi, everyone
@  Mike T : (01 July 2015 - 06:36 PM) LOL
@  Mike T : (01 July 2015 - 06:36 PM) oops make that fogs
@  Mike T : (01 July 2015 - 06:36 PM) It's totally weird and you will have to cut the wiring. You are right not to use the OE smart fags, they are utter trash and the reflector melts after ten hours of use.
@  Surturiel : (01 July 2015 - 06:07 PM) question: (as usual) what kind of connector does the 450 fog light uses? I want to put an aftermarket fog light and don't want to cut the original wiring...
@  Mike T : (01 July 2015 - 10:13 AM) Good Canada Day eh?
@  Surturiel : (01 July 2015 - 10:08 AM) happy canada day!
@  SmartED : (01 July 2015 - 01:34 AM) Happy Canada Day everyone
@  Surturiel : (30 June 2015 - 09:14 PM) opinion: are those 3 to 5 stud adapters safe? I want a set of 16", but they're both hard to find and expensive...
@  Mike T : (30 June 2015 - 08:39 PM) *Jodhpur, damn fat fingers
@  Mike T : (30 June 2015 - 08:38 PM) *bolt
@  Mike T : (30 June 2015 - 08:38 PM) Take 'em off and three are three bold holes plus a large round one. Best to think of them as Jodphurs
@  Surturiel : (30 June 2015 - 07:57 PM) question: is there a way to remove those hip inserts?
@  FlossyTheSmart : (30 June 2015 - 05:14 AM) And that's without mentioning that compared to many cars, there were very few 450s made, and it's now 8 years out of production
@  FlossyTheSmart : (30 June 2015 - 05:12 AM) Well, I think you'll find it difficult to find ANY seat covers for a 450. There aren't a lot of offerings around
@  Surturiel : (29 June 2015 - 09:25 PM) on this topic, why is SO DAMN HARD to find leather seat covers for 450?
@  Surturiel : (29 June 2015 - 09:24 PM) sorry!
@  Mike T : (29 June 2015 - 09:19 PM) nor is it a leather seat!
@  Surturiel : (29 June 2015 - 07:52 PM) leather seat
@  Mike T : (29 June 2015 - 02:00 PM) This is not a search box!
@  mowser : (29 June 2015 - 11:42 AM) resetting the service reminder
@  mowser : (29 June 2015 - 09:53 AM) 299891
@  LeoBarbosa : (22 June 2015 - 06:03 PM) Just a feedback, the rear struts were really easy to do. Thanks for the tips. Payed $120 for both sides, at the dealership, in Calgary, AB.

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Brake Calipers - E18 Or Penta Socket ?


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#1 RDL

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 12:56 PM

There were two main threads on changing Brake Pads which caused me anxiety. The E18 socket approach appeared to be nonsense because the E18 is based on 6 sided Torx while the problem bolt was 5 sided. The pentagonal socket is not easy to find. Penta_Bolt_annotated.jpg MightyMouseTech saved my day with his clear instruction which I support with a few pictures. Tilting the caliper rather than removing it. Brake_Caliper_annotated.jpg In short MightyMouseTech warns DO NOT REMOVE THE 5 SIDED BOLT. The picture above demonstrates that the Brake Pads are changed by tilting the calipers rather than removing them. Only the top bolt has to be removed. NOTE: the bolt, with blue thread lock, was placed in the caliper only to complete the picture.
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Posted 14 October 2012 - 04:15 PM

I thought that's SOP... every online guide (evilution, fq101) and every how-to here at CsC says to just remove the E18 and tilt the slider up out of the way...

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 06:59 PM

I removed mine on one side only, to change the calliper support. Interestingly, the replacement support does not use a pentagonal bolt.But yah, why remove it for a mere pad change?

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 05:10 AM

What about changing the rotors? Isn't that needed?

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 05:22 AM

I wish I had noticed the Evilution tutorial. http://www.evilution...ndex.php?id=279 It was my impression that several threads advocated the removal of the 5 sided bolt, to replace the pads, which is the reason for starting a new thread.
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Posted 15 October 2012 - 06:04 AM

What about changing the rotors? Isn't that needed?

No, for that you remove both E18s on the caliper bracket. The the slider is just 13 and 17 mm wrenches and some muscle. FWIW I found it necessary to use a U-joint and breaker bar with a short pipe extension to get enough torque to break the E18s free. http://www.fq101.co....s-and-pads.html ETA: I just noticed in my post above I misremembered. The slider doesn't use the E18, just a 13 mm bolt.

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#7 Alex

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 06:22 AM

Ideally I think that pentabolt should be removed after long service to lube it. Perhaps with a rotor change, which is usually every second pad change. "Lubed for life" may apply in a warm dry salt-free climate, but not for our cars!

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 12:13 PM

I replaced those penta bolts with standard hex bolts years ago. You should all do same at the earliest opportunity.

By the way, it looks like you may have a problem.
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Has the rubber gaiter sheared off in way of the narrowest section?

This can easily happen when you do not remove both bolts but swing calliper on lower bolt instead.

Edited by tolsen, 15 October 2012 - 12:16 PM.


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Posted 27 November 2012 - 10:48 AM

I thought that's SOP... every online guide (evilution, fq101) and every how-to here at CsC says to just remove the E18 and tilt the slider up out of the way...

[size=3]Have you found a source for a penta bolt socket & if so, what size is it? I like to clean & lubricate the caliper sliders because of the road salt that's used where I live rusts everything terribly.

Edited by diesel4me, 27 November 2012 - 11:25 AM.





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