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@  turbomar : (22 November 2014 - 06:33 PM) Thanks for the tip lads! Going to Princess tomorrow
@  marchanna : (22 November 2014 - 05:57 PM) Princess Auto is the best! I live less than a Km from there.
@  Bessy : (22 November 2014 - 05:53 PM) Turbomar, Princess Auto has the socket for about $3. I've done 20 or so pairs of reluctors and haven't broken a socket yet.
@  dmoonen : (22 November 2014 - 09:48 AM) Yes it is Turbomar.
@  turbomar : (22 November 2014 - 07:38 AM) Is the socket size for the drive axle bolt to hub on the 450, 12 point 21mm?
@  dmoonen : (21 November 2014 - 03:41 PM) I think glow plug gets triggered by the coolant sensor
@  FlossyTheSmart : (21 November 2014 - 12:11 PM) I couldn't tell you for sure.
@  kdubya : (21 November 2014 - 11:39 AM) i played around a bunch, entered everything i could. i didn't see it anywhere. Is it something we know the Star can do?
@  FlossyTheSmart : (21 November 2014 - 09:52 AM) There are a whole lot of read outs in there, so you may have to dig around a bit, but that's where I would think they'd be.
@  kdubya : (21 November 2014 - 09:45 AM) k ill check. i want to make sure they are working. just a read out of temp
@  FlossyTheSmart : (21 November 2014 - 09:21 AM) probably under the "Engine" section
@  FlossyTheSmart : (21 November 2014 - 09:20 AM) Read out is likely under Systems>N3/9 (EDG control unit) > Actual Value Indicator, somewhere.
@  FlossyTheSmart : (21 November 2014 - 09:18 AM) As in, configurable, or just a read out?
@  kdubya : (21 November 2014 - 08:58 AM) Anyone know where to find cylinder temp (glow plug function) on the Star??
@  FlossyTheSmart : (19 November 2014 - 11:38 AM) classic
@  Mike T : (19 November 2014 - 11:38 AM) Hodor
@  evotell : (19 November 2014 - 11:35 AM) Saying your own name, I don't get it?
@  dmoonen : (19 November 2014 - 10:52 AM) Saying your own name evotell :P
@  evotell : (19 November 2014 - 10:49 AM) evotell
@  KurtMan : (18 November 2014 - 06:29 PM) Well, we repaired the wires and its driving fine now... I guess I'll have to wait for another slushy day to be sure. Thanks for all the help guys!
@  Mike T : (18 November 2014 - 05:24 PM) This happened to our dearly departed green car too and the solution was that simple.
@  SkydiverChris : (18 November 2014 - 03:32 PM) Glad to hear that you may have found the cause Kurt! Keep us posted! It's almost never that simple.
@  Francesco : (18 November 2014 - 12:00 PM) cost me close to $300 to tow from the Canadian border post at Hemingford to my driveway (80 km), and my car was up on blocks for two weeks while I tracked down and resolved the issues.
@  Francesco : (18 November 2014 - 11:58 AM) jurist? During
@  Francesco : (18 November 2014 - 11:58 AM) Yep, mine started acting up jurist a January thaw on a long steady drive through the country, then the car refused to move on a slushy day on a long steady drive on the same roads a week later. The slushy brine is both conductive and tenacious.
@  FlossyTheSmart : (18 November 2014 - 11:40 AM) That's probably it.
@  KurtMan : (18 November 2014 - 11:21 AM) So my friend with soldering skills is going to help me after work... I'm confident this will solve the problem. First slushy day we have so it must have splashed up there and shorted out.
@  Francesco : (18 November 2014 - 10:25 AM) knock on wood, no recurrence after two winters and three summers.
@  Francesco : (18 November 2014 - 10:25 AM) then wraped all in Tesa cloth harness tape ($20 a roll at MB, about the same off ebay)
@  Francesco : (18 November 2014 - 10:24 AM) Yeah, mine was the same. I repaired the wires and coated the whole thing in Liquid Electrical Tape ($9 at CT)
@  stickman007 : (18 November 2014 - 10:20 AM) There's probably corrosion inside the sheath due to moisture getting in
@  FlossyTheSmart : (18 November 2014 - 07:29 AM) with the wires chafed, they're probably only intermittantly making good contact. Wrapping in electrical tape probably won't be able to keep the connection good.
@  KurtMan : (18 November 2014 - 07:26 AM) What if I wrap the chafed wires in electrical tape and try driving around?
@  FlossyTheSmart : (18 November 2014 - 07:21 AM) hopefully it's as simple as that!
@  KurtMan : (18 November 2014 - 07:11 AM) I immediately found 2 chafed wires at the connection to the clutch actuator!
@  dmoonen : (18 November 2014 - 05:49 AM) Majority of the problems are in the engine harness area right at the IC scoop. Removing the IC would give you more wiggle room and less curse words
@  dmoonen : (18 November 2014 - 05:47 AM) SAM to rear ecu travels under the carpet and right into the firewall behind the seats.
@  dmoonen : (18 November 2014 - 05:46 AM) Harness to two sections: 1:Rear ECU TO engine sensors and components. 2: Sam:Rear ECU.
@  dmoonen : (18 November 2014 - 05:44 AM) No you dont need to kurt, mainly around the intercooler scoop area and back youll be
@  KurtMan : (18 November 2014 - 04:27 AM) Do I have to remove any of the under panels to get to the harness?
@  KurtMan : (17 November 2014 - 04:33 PM) Well maybe if I need a star machine I'll send you a message Max!
@  FlossyTheSmart : (17 November 2014 - 04:20 PM) I think just me, Chris, and Troy have star machines in the Ottawa area.
@  KurtMan : (17 November 2014 - 04:03 PM) Any help would be appreciated!
@  SkydiverChris : (17 November 2014 - 03:58 PM) NOt sure if anyone out your way has a Star, but there are a couple people around Ottawa that do. If you're stuck, they may be able to help
@  KurtMan : (17 November 2014 - 03:56 PM) Thanks I appreciate it!
@  SkydiverChris : (17 November 2014 - 03:55 PM) Sorry man, if you're still stuck on the weekend, I might be convinced to make a trip out that way (unless someone else gets there before I do), but there's a tonne of stuff to try, and the Star may or may not give you something to go on.
@  KurtMan : (17 November 2014 - 03:49 PM) Ya I feel ya... I guess I'll check the fork and harness tomorrow and go from there. Wish me luck!
@  SkydiverChris : (17 November 2014 - 03:46 PM) Ewww...that's one hell of a trip. haha
@  KurtMan : (17 November 2014 - 03:42 PM) Innes/Tenth line exactly
@  SkydiverChris : (17 November 2014 - 03:42 PM) If it was summer, I skydive in Gatineau and am out that way almost every weekend. Unfortunately, we don't jump in winter much.

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#1 Pretty in Smart

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 06:31 AM

Hello:My 2008 passion's headlights constantly burn out. When one side goes and it's replaced, within weeks the other side goes as well. I've been told it's a common problem, however they burn out so often that it's about every 6 months I'm changing the bulbs. Anything I can do or change to at least keep the bulbs going for longer so they don't drain so quicly? Just seems a little ridiculous to have burnt out bulbs that frequently.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 07:17 AM

some have had luck buying bulbs from truck stops as they are a long life an take a lot of shaking.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:34 AM

I'll be keeping an eye on this thread, as I experienced 3 burn lights since I bought the car just a little while back. One was a plate light and was replaced during a schedule service together with a headlight, but the third was a front parking light after the service, so I bought LEDs to replace the pair. Regrettably I don't think that there would be LED options for headlight high-low beams.As other lights let go (back lights for example) I will replace with LEDs.

Edited by Lito, 06 January 2013 - 10:34 AM.

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#4 David_18

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:54 AM

If you can understand, you can find the solution here :P http://www.clubsmart...;p=84459#p84459

#5 Lito

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:20 AM

err... My French is as good as my Cantonese, but google is my friend (sort of)...

Go to your dealer and ask for the kit resistances for the front headlights. I got free from Three Rivers Mercedes while I was only going to buy bulbs H7 better. I mentioned to the clerk's desk I spent several bulbs in a year. He then proposed the amendment without charge. He is son of two resistors that are incorporated slightly lower the voltage going to the bulbs. No visible use. Easy to install, although to make it free, they must be installed at the dealership.

The kit was installed in August and I have not burned blister since. Under normal circumstances I would have spent at least 2 ...
The part number for this kit is 451540 June 23 (ts el cable set). There is probably a service bulletin over there ...


So, as I understand it, dealers can supply some sort of adapter with a resistor, which lowers the voltage going to the bulb, without marked effect on the light output, which prevents early burnouts. Is this correct?
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#6 Mike T

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:28 AM

I would not want to lower light output at all. Just get LL (long life) bulbs.

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#7 David_18

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:42 AM

Yes Lito ! Mike, the light output is supose to be the same.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:47 AM

So, as I understand it, dealers can supply some sort of adapter with a resistor, which lowers the voltage going to the bulb, without marked effect on the light output, which prevents early burnouts. Is this correct?

The wiring is standard on the newer cars(2011 on or something like that). Original headlights in my 2011, 34k km and still going. Operation is better than the lights in my 2005.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 04:18 PM

As David18 replied. Part number is 451 540 23 06. The kit consist of 2 resistive wires and 2 bulbs. Say that to your service advisor. Ask for his boss if he does not want to install it no charge. If not, go higher! There must be a service bulletin on that matter. It was installed on my car at no charge after stopping in a MB dealer in Trois Rivieres QC. I was just looking for more resistant bulb. Parts manager kindly offered to install that kit at no extra charge. Oh yes... I was out of warranty also...Patrice

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#10 Lito

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 05:50 PM

Found the following here

Why are my headlights burning out quickly?

Headlamp bulbs can be sensitive to higher system voltages on cars. There is a resistance kit (A 451 540 23 06) that can be installed to reduce the voltage on the headlamps and prolong their life. Headlamps with integrated resistors have been installed in production since December 2010.


No mention that this should be free from dealers, mind.
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#11 smartraja

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 08:51 PM

Hello: My 2008 passion's headlights constantly burn out. When one side goes and it's replaced, within weeks the other side goes as well. I've been told it's a common problem, however they burn out so often that it's about every 6 months I'm changing the bulbs. Anything I can do or change to at least keep the bulbs going for longer so they don't drain so quicly? Just seems a little ridiculous to have burnt out bulbs that frequently.

My 2010 headlights is burn out a month ago and i take to TPM (Victoria Smart Dealer ) for replaced , i wait for 30 minutes and the manager told me everything already done and being replaced including the wiring so the bulb not gonna burn out fast in the future .. and they don't charge (free) for everything.
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#12 Mike T

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:33 PM

Hmm, interesting! A soft warranty?

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#13 smartraja

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:00 PM

Hmm, interesting! A soft warranty?

No idea Mike .. i didn't ask .. maybe is the warranty
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#14 Mike T

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:10 PM

Yeah like one of those "the customer complains - we act" type of situations. I've only changed my own bulbs so I guess I would never get a freebie like that!

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#15 Lito

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 08:24 AM

How many light bulbs does it take to change a Mike? :P
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#16 Pretty in Smart

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 08:36 AM

Thanks Everyone! I'll speak to MB Midtown at my next servicing about the resistant kit.
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 05:49 PM

Thanks Everyone! I'll speak to MB Midtown at my next servicing about the resistant kit.

Do yourself a favour if you can and goto downtown on dundas. (unless you purchased from uptown) More knowledgable and a ton more friendly. I just got bulbs tuesday, our go about every 6 months as well. I will have to get this kit.

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