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@  KurtMan : (30 September 2014 - 12:49 PM) It was in fact the PY21 bulb that was burnt, the Canadian Tire associate insisted his computer system was correct and gave me 7528 bulbs. So I will return the bulbs and educate him when I return ��
@  stickman007 : (29 September 2014 - 02:29 PM) I bought a set of triple square from Mac Tools...the only one I ever use was 8mm for the CV
@  Francesco : (29 September 2014 - 09:16 AM) Yeah, ok. Buddy brought over his wife's 2000 Beetle TDI for a detail and I wanted to adjust the doors, but the strikers and hinges both had triple square bolts.
@  dmoonen : (29 September 2014 - 09:01 AM) Had to buy a couple sets for working on my vw's, basicly bbs rims, axels and a outher parts require them including the injector pump on the ALH's. I don't think there's a single one on the smarts that I recall mostly torx, etorx and standard sockets.
@  dmoonen : (29 September 2014 - 08:59 AM) VW need them but smarts no so much
@  Francesco : (29 September 2014 - 08:41 AM) I never noticed, does the 450 use any triple-square bolts? Does the 451? The set will be handy for when I work on Dubs, but was wondering about smarts, too.
@  Francesco : (28 September 2014 - 09:38 PM) The turn signal bulb? Or the bulb that would normally go in the empty BA15s socket below the top brake lamp? The TS is PY21W or P21W, while the one in the empty socket is R5W (207), a 5 Watt bulb. Note than on Canadian 450s that socket isn't connected to any power or earth.
@  KurtMan : (28 September 2014 - 06:00 PM) Thanks guys, I forgot to say it's a 450.
@  FlossyTheSmart : (28 September 2014 - 05:37 PM) WHich is a yellow bulb, despite being behind a red lens
@  FlossyTheSmart : (28 September 2014 - 05:36 PM) Oh, missed the lower break light correction. I think that is a PY21W
@  FlossyTheSmart : (28 September 2014 - 05:32 PM) I want to say P21W - I was just changing bulbs on my cabrio yesterday and it's actually on the plastic casing what bulbs are meant to go there - that's what I remember. I'm sure Evilution will have it there somewhere too.
@  marchanna : (28 September 2014 - 03:07 PM) I'm not sure if 450's are the same
@  marchanna : (28 September 2014 - 03:07 PM) On 451 models it's a 7528
@  marchanna : (28 September 2014 - 03:03 PM) What year?
@  KurtMan : (28 September 2014 - 02:52 PM) *I should specify lower break light.
@  KurtMan : (28 September 2014 - 02:48 PM) Does anyone know what the bulb type is in the lower part of a cabrio tail light?
@  amr530711 : (27 September 2014 - 02:16 PM) it's got a hard short on the black cable running from the positive post to the rear of the car - does that connect to the starter or to the alternator? This car seems to eat alternators, and the blackout happened at roughly the same time as the alternator would kick in, just a couple of seconds after moving forward.
@  stickman007 : (27 September 2014 - 01:52 PM) Check your connection at the battery terminals? I think somebody here in the forum had the battery cable melted once...
@  amr530711 : (27 September 2014 - 11:55 AM) hey everyone! I'm having a hard time with the new search, I'm looking for information about a total electrical failure. I started the car, drove about 50 feet, it bucked, the instrument cluster went out, back on, then completely off. and now I have no electrics at all. no four way flashers, can't roll up the window, car won't lock, absolutely nothing happens when I turn the key. Not sure what words to use in the search. any help would be appreciated
@  Francesco : (27 September 2014 - 07:10 AM) And a whole set of triple square bits off Amazon for $25. SnapOn rep said they're special order, and each bit is close to $30!!!

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#1 Pretty in Smart

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 06:31 AM

Hello:My 2008 passion's headlights constantly burn out. When one side goes and it's replaced, within weeks the other side goes as well. I've been told it's a common problem, however they burn out so often that it's about every 6 months I'm changing the bulbs. Anything I can do or change to at least keep the bulbs going for longer so they don't drain so quicly? Just seems a little ridiculous to have burnt out bulbs that frequently.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 07:17 AM

some have had luck buying bulbs from truck stops as they are a long life an take a lot of shaking.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:34 AM

I'll be keeping an eye on this thread, as I experienced 3 burn lights since I bought the car just a little while back. One was a plate light and was replaced during a schedule service together with a headlight, but the third was a front parking light after the service, so I bought LEDs to replace the pair. Regrettably I don't think that there would be LED options for headlight high-low beams.As other lights let go (back lights for example) I will replace with LEDs.

Edited by Lito, 06 January 2013 - 10:34 AM.

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#4 David_18

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:54 AM

If you can understand, you can find the solution here :P http://www.clubsmart...;p=84459#p84459

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:20 AM

err... My French is as good as my Cantonese, but google is my friend (sort of)...

Go to your dealer and ask for the kit resistances for the front headlights. I got free from Three Rivers Mercedes while I was only going to buy bulbs H7 better. I mentioned to the clerk's desk I spent several bulbs in a year. He then proposed the amendment without charge. He is son of two resistors that are incorporated slightly lower the voltage going to the bulbs. No visible use. Easy to install, although to make it free, they must be installed at the dealership.

The kit was installed in August and I have not burned blister since. Under normal circumstances I would have spent at least 2 ...
The part number for this kit is 451540 June 23 (ts el cable set). There is probably a service bulletin over there ...


So, as I understand it, dealers can supply some sort of adapter with a resistor, which lowers the voltage going to the bulb, without marked effect on the light output, which prevents early burnouts. Is this correct?
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#6 Mike T

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:28 AM

I would not want to lower light output at all. Just get LL (long life) bulbs.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:42 AM

Yes Lito ! Mike, the light output is supose to be the same.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:47 AM

So, as I understand it, dealers can supply some sort of adapter with a resistor, which lowers the voltage going to the bulb, without marked effect on the light output, which prevents early burnouts. Is this correct?

The wiring is standard on the newer cars(2011 on or something like that). Original headlights in my 2011, 34k km and still going. Operation is better than the lights in my 2005.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 04:18 PM

As David18 replied. Part number is 451 540 23 06. The kit consist of 2 resistive wires and 2 bulbs. Say that to your service advisor. Ask for his boss if he does not want to install it no charge. If not, go higher! There must be a service bulletin on that matter. It was installed on my car at no charge after stopping in a MB dealer in Trois Rivieres QC. I was just looking for more resistant bulb. Parts manager kindly offered to install that kit at no extra charge. Oh yes... I was out of warranty also...Patrice

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#10 Lito

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 05:50 PM

Found the following here

Why are my headlights burning out quickly?

Headlamp bulbs can be sensitive to higher system voltages on cars. There is a resistance kit (A 451 540 23 06) that can be installed to reduce the voltage on the headlamps and prolong their life. Headlamps with integrated resistors have been installed in production since December 2010.


No mention that this should be free from dealers, mind.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 08:51 PM

Hello: My 2008 passion's headlights constantly burn out. When one side goes and it's replaced, within weeks the other side goes as well. I've been told it's a common problem, however they burn out so often that it's about every 6 months I'm changing the bulbs. Anything I can do or change to at least keep the bulbs going for longer so they don't drain so quicly? Just seems a little ridiculous to have burnt out bulbs that frequently.

My 2010 headlights is burn out a month ago and i take to TPM (Victoria Smart Dealer ) for replaced , i wait for 30 minutes and the manager told me everything already done and being replaced including the wiring so the bulb not gonna burn out fast in the future .. and they don't charge (free) for everything.
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#12 Mike T

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:33 PM

Hmm, interesting! A soft warranty?

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:00 PM

Hmm, interesting! A soft warranty?

No idea Mike .. i didn't ask .. maybe is the warranty
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#14 Mike T

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:10 PM

Yeah like one of those "the customer complains - we act" type of situations. I've only changed my own bulbs so I guess I would never get a freebie like that!

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#15 Lito

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 08:24 AM

How many light bulbs does it take to change a Mike? :P
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 08:36 AM

Thanks Everyone! I'll speak to MB Midtown at my next servicing about the resistant kit.
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 05:49 PM

Thanks Everyone! I'll speak to MB Midtown at my next servicing about the resistant kit.

Do yourself a favour if you can and goto downtown on dundas. (unless you purchased from uptown) More knowledgable and a ton more friendly. I just got bulbs tuesday, our go about every 6 months as well. I will have to get this kit.

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