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#1 Grumpyb

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Posted 12 January 2014 - 09:52 AM

Hi , Im a UK Smart owner and I have a converted 08 Passion with a 25 cell Lifepo4 pack and HPEV AC30 motor/ Curtis controller.For a living I support UK Ev users and this came my way as a development mule for a UK company that subsequently made a series of converted Citroen C1s.I actually purchased two of these, but one was totalled in a road accident last year. I still have its remains waiting for an appropriate priced 451 non runner to convert. Having caught the Smart bug, I bought a 451 CDI (2010) that was repossed by the finance company. No keys, 44000miles and lots of general wear. My wrecked electric has provided the replacement worn interior. To sort the keys the UK smatrt dealers wanted around £800 to replace the SAM, keys, lots of special costs for computer codes from MB/ Smart and £120 per hour to do the work. So I shopped around and the formal solution is the Smart one, as you have to have one key for the star diagnostics to programme another. However a nice clever Romanian has worked out how to get around it. And apart from a genuine remote a UK locksmith company who has the computer and kit, charged me £65 to programme one key fob. What a result. The car transmits a code, the key fob responds in a certain way, the std system allows codes to be adrift by a few numbers, to allow for you pushing the buttons away from the car and moving on from your code from the car. So they decode what the car is transmitting, using an algorithm they then create a non moving code chip to match. Put that to the key blade (Fortunately I had one of these) and the car now thinks its got an original key, you can then programme a new fob to the SAM. A brilliant piece of deduction. After a couple of uses of the fob the hard coded chip will no longer be any use but now you have a properly coded new fob.WIth the car functional, it then became obvious why the previous owner had defaulted, The turbo had seized and the shaft snapped. So I have a used turbo, but the original oil pipework was seriously clogged , I dont think they had ever serviced the vehicle. SO I dropped the sump and it was really dirty inside. I have fitted a sump plug, and having cleaned the worst of the muck out I ran flushing oil and a new filter through the engine, and replaced with nice fresh oil and filter. The car would not run for more than a few seconds. Diagnosis was a blocked particle filter. So off with the exhaust and out with the Oly acetylene burner, introducing heat and excess oxygen through the exhaust caused it to burn off the internal muck. More to come the EGR mixing system was almost blocked with greasy gunge, this was cleaned out but the car still goes to limp mode after a couple of minutes. Codes being P1408 and P1409. TAke out the vacuum EGR valve itself, it was not opening at all. Swapped for a clean one but I still have P1408. The moral of this, if the deal looks too good to be true, then it probably is too good to be true. I wish I hadnt strayed from my Electric vehicles, but I do need one that will go a few hundred miles.Any thoughts on P1408?Grumpy-b

Edited by Grumpyb, 12 January 2014 - 09:55 AM.


#2 Mike T

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Posted 12 January 2014 - 10:16 AM

Welcome, that's quite the story, I've no idea about the code though.
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Posted 12 January 2014 - 10:28 AM

Welcome to the forum! Could you elaborate on the EV mod including pics in the EV section

#4 Grumpyb

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Posted 12 January 2014 - 10:52 AM

I didnt put a comment in the EV section as it appeared to be on the Smart /MB v3 rather than conversions.But I will put something on there in the near future.Grumpy-b

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Posted 13 January 2014 - 04:41 PM

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@  FlossyTheSmart : (17 September 2014 - 10:56 AM) I don't think I've seen a detailed CDI engine rebuild discussion anywhere. I believe details are in WIS. You may want to send a message to smart_guy, he has done a few engine rebuilds and may be able to point you in the right direction.
@  jletual : (17 September 2014 - 10:23 AM) can anyone point me in the right direction to any forums that have discussed an engine rebuild in great detail for cdi?  We have acquired a second car, this one with a blown engine from a broken timing chain. Want to take it apart and see if its rebuildable.  Any help/diagrams etc would be great!
@  spider : (17 September 2014 - 06:00 AM) 2009 451 exhaust needed
@  Francesco : (13 September 2014 - 09:59 PM) Lol yikes
@  FlossyTheSmart : (13 September 2014 - 05:50 PM) Francesco, you're going to have some child protection agency after you because of that comment at 6:28 ;)
@  Francesco : (13 September 2014 - 03:21 PM) My original 450 steels will be available for sale after I clean them up, 35% Conti TS760s on the skinny fronts, no tires on the rears.
@  Francesco : (13 September 2014 - 03:19 PM) I'm taking all our winter wheels out of storage this week to begin prepping them for sandblasting and paint.
@  Francesco : (13 September 2014 - 03:18 PM) Nice!
@  steveyfrac : (13 September 2014 - 02:38 PM) Winter tires acquired. Boo-ya.
@  Francesco : (13 September 2014 - 02:28 PM) A 10 yr Italian now costs the same as a 10 yr CDN, and no visas or reciprocity fees to many of the countries that require them from CDN passport holders
@  Francesco : (13 September 2014 - 02:26 PM) Well, it IS google. About six weeks ago I spent a moment or two searching for info about getting an Italian passport, which had previously (until July of this year) been prohibitively expensive.
@  FlossyTheSmart : (13 September 2014 - 12:48 PM) I don't see any way to limit languages for adsense. The French ads make sense, since you're in Quebec, but I don't think they'd do italian ones just based on name. Not quite sure what that's about
@  FlossyTheSmart : (13 September 2014 - 12:39 PM) maaayyybeee
@  FlossyTheSmart : (13 September 2014 - 12:39 PM) lol
@  Francesco : (13 September 2014 - 12:38 PM) Max, any way to block banner ads that are not in English? For some reason or other (perhaps my IP) I get many in French and (perhaps my username) Italian. Most are Italian these days. No idea why.
@  steveyfrac : (13 September 2014 - 10:54 AM) Awesome guys. Thanks. There is a fellow in London selling a lightly used set of winters off a 2006. Wanted to make sure they would fit.
@  marchanna : (13 September 2014 - 10:53 AM) The offset is a little different on the rear, they stick out about half an inch more. I think it actually looks better.
@  marchanna : (13 September 2014 - 10:52 AM) Confirmed. That's what I have on my car.
@  FlossyTheSmart : (13 September 2014 - 10:52 AM) See here: http://clubsmartcar....showtopic=27829
@  FlossyTheSmart : (13 September 2014 - 10:51 AM) yes they will