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@  Mike T : (25 May 2015 - 09:43 PM) ouch. We stayed at the Fairmont Monte Carlo and every other Fairmont I have stayed at was better! Still it was fun having the RCZ pulled up outside the main entrance.
@  Francesco : (25 May 2015 - 09:42 PM) http://www.crystalcr...CF-BB&YEAR=2015
@  Francesco : (25 May 2015 - 09:39 PM) Anchored off Monaco for the weekend, tenders to Fontvieille, three different grandstands, "Formula 1 Paddock Club®”, Ferrari paddocks, Pirelli hospitality area, top of Yacht Club... This shore excursion was a bucket-lister for sure. US$15k pp
@  Francesco : (25 May 2015 - 09:31 PM) A friend who works at Google went this weekend. Hopped a Monaco GP cruise aboard Crystal from Lisbon-Barcelona-Monaco (Fontvieille)-Rome
@  Mike T : (25 May 2015 - 08:03 PM) Driving that course is fun in a street car, like the Circuit Gilles-Villeneuve. In an F-1 car I can imagine the frustration.
@  Francesco : (25 May 2015 - 07:40 PM) Rascasse is the only real passing area, after Piscine.
@  marchanna : (25 May 2015 - 08:47 AM) I'm usually good for watching a few laps, but then I get bored. I would prefer to be in the race.
@  Leadwing : (25 May 2015 - 07:33 AM) Monaco is a horrible place to try and pass. For most of the track, only the extremely brave (or stupid) try it on the track. Most will try to 'undercut' during a pitstop. That said, Lewis Hamilton's crew really screwed things up for him.
@  Mike T : (24 May 2015 - 08:46 PM) But it was cool to see JPM win the 500 again, it was a great drive
@  Mike T : (24 May 2015 - 06:31 PM) Monaco sucks at the best of times - this year it hit a new low
@  jwight : (24 May 2015 - 05:41 PM) Somehow the parade left Lewis Hamilton out...
@  Mike T : (24 May 2015 - 12:16 PM) Great Indy 500 today, in contrast with the dismal F1 Monaco parade.
@  smart65 : (21 May 2015 - 11:57 AM) Thanks
@  FlossyTheSmart : (21 May 2015 - 06:48 AM) You can now also click on the number of comments and it will take you to the shop page with the comments on it
@  FlossyTheSmart : (21 May 2015 - 06:36 AM) If you click on the shop name, it will take you to a page just for that shop, with the full details. I'll make the comment count a link to the page as well.
@  smart65 : (21 May 2015 - 06:28 AM) How can comments be accessed in Service Options?
@  Mike T : (20 May 2015 - 11:39 AM) PM sent of manual excerpt
@  Mike T : (20 May 2015 - 11:37 AM) It's in the owners manual all right
@  Huronlad : (20 May 2015 - 08:47 AM) There are numerous threads about the "three bars of death", make use of the forum search feature and do some reading.
@  1EGRBVR : (20 May 2015 - 06:39 AM) Thanks. I see nothing in the owners manual.
@  Mike T : (20 May 2015 - 06:31 AM) *Check
@  Mike T : (20 May 2015 - 06:31 AM) Gheck your owners manual, it is a gearbox fault.
@  1EGRBVR : (20 May 2015 - 06:07 AM) On the instrument cluster where the LED shows the gear you are in or A for Automatic, I am showing 3 vertical lines instead going across.  Has anyone else encountered this?   This happened after I changed the rear signal light.
@  Mike T : (19 May 2015 - 08:13 PM) Le Club 404 and some private sector guys in Europe are picking up on this big-time.
@  marchanna : (19 May 2015 - 04:38 PM) That makes good sense. Do you hope to get service parts made or custom built?
@  Mike T : (19 May 2015 - 03:07 PM) Strength in numbers....parts reproductions are more likely if we know there are 2000 or more coupes and cabriolets left...plus I have wanted to know this (how many are left) since 1977 when I first wanted to buy one.
@  marchanna : (19 May 2015 - 08:27 AM) Good stuff! Just out of curiosity, is there a practical purpose for the registry or is it just for fun?
@  Mike T : (18 May 2015 - 07:57 PM) Got some new 404s for the Registry, boo yeah!
@  marchanna : (18 May 2015 - 04:04 PM) Sup?
@  marchanna : (15 May 2015 - 04:06 AM) Haha. I just watched that skit last night.
@  FlossyTheSmart : (14 May 2015 - 05:59 AM) It's merely pining for the fjords right now
@  jwight : (14 May 2015 - 01:01 AM) That's too bad - hate to see the Mystery Run die out.
@  FlossyTheSmart : (13 May 2015 - 09:48 AM) I hadn't planned on organizing it this year. Noah had been planning on doing something I think, but he's no longer involved
@  marchanna : (12 May 2015 - 12:50 PM) Nope. It's a mystery.
@  stickman007 : (12 May 2015 - 09:41 AM) Any news on Mystery Run this year?

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Posted 30 January 2007 - 04:11 AM

Hello.I am a Smart ForTwo lover and a new to this forum. I do not own a Smart yet, but in the begining I would like to buy a used one.I have a serious question.I am located in Greece, Europe, and here a brand new Smart ForTwo costs around 10-12,000 euros.However, you can find a used one aged 1 to 6 years from 3000 up to 6000 euros.Many people told me that these cars, although they have an efficient economic engine and good drive quality on the road, after a certain amount of mileage, their egine presents some sort of damage, cannot function properly anymore, and that is why the used ones are available in such low prices. To repair them you need to change the engine, so you are adviced to buy a brand new instead. Is this true? I cannot believe this, as I trust the brand very much, and I am looking forward to buy a used Smart ForTwo.Thanks

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Posted 30 January 2007 - 05:26 AM

Welcome to the club!We have had the smart here for a little over 2 years so there are not huge numbers of used ones on the market.All the Canadian smarts are diesel and these seem to be a robust engine. However we have had a number of turbo failures, probably because we have an inferior fuel when compared to Europe.I would recommend that you look for a used cdi. Good luck!
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Posted 30 January 2007 - 07:44 AM

Do not buy a 600 cc petrol version; those engines are definitely fragile and they are what gave the smart its reputation for weak engines. The turbos are prone to failure, and one of the three cylinders seems to lose compression easily, usually following the cracking of the exhaust manifold and consequent leaning out of the fuel mixture on one of the cylinders.The 700 cc petrol version is a lot more robust, from the 2003 model year (cars with ESP) until the present time.The diesel engine is the only one that is sold in Canada, and it is by far the most reliable fortwo engine.When buying any used car, there remains risk, depending upon how the previous owner treated the car. Two things to watch for are oil level (never more than half full is best) and whether the driver lets the car idle for ~30 s after driving, which would protect the turbocharger.If I were buying, I would buy a new cdi.

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Posted 30 January 2007 - 12:40 PM

Two things to watch for are oil level (never more than half full is best)

Uh, say what? Care to clarify, Mike?
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Posted 30 January 2007 - 12:42 PM

Cars with blown EGR valves, blocked intercoolers and blown turbos often have had oil levels at or above the "full" mark. TPM's ace smart mechanic, Jeff, NEVER fills them to more than halfway up the stick, for that reason.

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Posted 30 January 2007 - 03:20 PM

So you are saying half way down the dipstick marks (0.5L) not 1.4L total ;)Slightly underfilled, not half full, to anybody reading it quickly. :smirk:
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Posted 30 January 2007 - 06:06 PM

Yeah half full on the stick, smartie pants ;)

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