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@  KurtMan : (30 September 2014 - 12:49 PM) It was in fact the PY21 bulb that was burnt, the Canadian Tire associate insisted his computer system was correct and gave me 7528 bulbs. So I will return the bulbs and educate him when I return ��
@  stickman007 : (29 September 2014 - 02:29 PM) I bought a set of triple square from Mac Tools...the only one I ever use was 8mm for the CV
@  Francesco : (29 September 2014 - 09:16 AM) Yeah, ok. Buddy brought over his wife's 2000 Beetle TDI for a detail and I wanted to adjust the doors, but the strikers and hinges both had triple square bolts.
@  dmoonen : (29 September 2014 - 09:01 AM) Had to buy a couple sets for working on my vw's, basicly bbs rims, axels and a outher parts require them including the injector pump on the ALH's. I don't think there's a single one on the smarts that I recall mostly torx, etorx and standard sockets.
@  dmoonen : (29 September 2014 - 08:59 AM) VW need them but smarts no so much
@  Francesco : (29 September 2014 - 08:41 AM) I never noticed, does the 450 use any triple-square bolts? Does the 451? The set will be handy for when I work on Dubs, but was wondering about smarts, too.
@  Francesco : (28 September 2014 - 09:38 PM) The turn signal bulb? Or the bulb that would normally go in the empty BA15s socket below the top brake lamp? The TS is PY21W or P21W, while the one in the empty socket is R5W (207), a 5 Watt bulb. Note than on Canadian 450s that socket isn't connected to any power or earth.
@  KurtMan : (28 September 2014 - 06:00 PM) Thanks guys, I forgot to say it's a 450.
@  FlossyTheSmart : (28 September 2014 - 05:37 PM) WHich is a yellow bulb, despite being behind a red lens
@  FlossyTheSmart : (28 September 2014 - 05:36 PM) Oh, missed the lower break light correction. I think that is a PY21W
@  FlossyTheSmart : (28 September 2014 - 05:32 PM) I want to say P21W - I was just changing bulbs on my cabrio yesterday and it's actually on the plastic casing what bulbs are meant to go there - that's what I remember. I'm sure Evilution will have it there somewhere too.
@  marchanna : (28 September 2014 - 03:07 PM) I'm not sure if 450's are the same
@  marchanna : (28 September 2014 - 03:07 PM) On 451 models it's a 7528
@  marchanna : (28 September 2014 - 03:03 PM) What year?
@  KurtMan : (28 September 2014 - 02:52 PM) *I should specify lower break light.
@  KurtMan : (28 September 2014 - 02:48 PM) Does anyone know what the bulb type is in the lower part of a cabrio tail light?
@  amr530711 : (27 September 2014 - 02:16 PM) it's got a hard short on the black cable running from the positive post to the rear of the car - does that connect to the starter or to the alternator? This car seems to eat alternators, and the blackout happened at roughly the same time as the alternator would kick in, just a couple of seconds after moving forward.
@  stickman007 : (27 September 2014 - 01:52 PM) Check your connection at the battery terminals? I think somebody here in the forum had the battery cable melted once...
@  amr530711 : (27 September 2014 - 11:55 AM) hey everyone! I'm having a hard time with the new search, I'm looking for information about a total electrical failure. I started the car, drove about 50 feet, it bucked, the instrument cluster went out, back on, then completely off. and now I have no electrics at all. no four way flashers, can't roll up the window, car won't lock, absolutely nothing happens when I turn the key. Not sure what words to use in the search. any help would be appreciated
@  Francesco : (27 September 2014 - 07:10 AM) And a whole set of triple square bits off Amazon for $25. SnapOn rep said they're special order, and each bit is close to $30!!!

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#1 Guest_lord_galathon_*

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Posted 24 May 2007 - 08:08 AM

Hello, total newb here. My first question:Every time my mom burns a lamp on her 2005 Smart ForTwo Pure Cabrio (which is quite often, every other month or so) the local MB dealer charges her over 60$ to change it.1-shouldn't the light bulbs be under warranty? They were on my 2003 Tiburon and my Wife's 2005 Elantra.2-60$ to replace a 5$ bulb? :dunno: 3-can I do it myself or is a special tool required?Thanks in advance and thanks for welcoming me on your forum.

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Posted 24 May 2007 - 08:47 AM

Even the dealer nearest me, that i don't like, will take you while you wait, and charges only a few bucks more than the bulb costs in Canadian tire. I think the bill was $26 for one. The first time i went to ask for just a bulb it was after my warranty was up, 80 500 km or so, and they didn't even charge me at all...I do beleive it's up to the dealer wheather or not they will do the bulbs under warranty, and it's probably up to them what they charge as well... I'm sure the dealer near me has someone who can manage to get their arm in there, to avoid taking the whole front end off. The $60 for one bulb kinda makes sense in that it's one half hour labour, and the cost of the bulb (1 hr = $95 around here). To do both at the same time should save you money, cause the labour wouldn't go up any...Mike
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#3 bilgladstone

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Posted 24 May 2007 - 09:02 AM

Your mom is getting ripped off.There was a recent smart announcement that headlight bulbs are to be replaced free under warranty during the 20,000km adjustment period. In fact, it may have been longer than that - I don't recall exactly.If the car is past that... mileage... she is still being ripped off. A new bulb can cost around $17 and it takes 10 minutes to replace it yourself once you get the knack. So quickly, that most dealers will sell you a bulb and install it for free while you wait.Additionally, if the bulbs are burning out every couple of months, it is a strong indication that the stealership mechanics are not installing them correctly - most likely touching the glass on the bulbs whilst putting them in.Search the how-tos in here for illustrated instructions and do it for her, cuz!Bil :sun:
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Posted 24 May 2007 - 11:36 AM

It's a DIY even for those with moderately large forearms (who are not averse to a little flesh compression). I have burnt out "only" two bulbs in 70,000 km and 30 months.

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Posted 24 May 2007 - 12:59 PM

I have gone through at least 10 now in 115 000 km of (admitedly hard) driving. This photo might help you with the tricky clip at the back of the bulb:

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Posted 25 May 2007 - 07:32 AM

Thanks for the prompt answers; So I take it that they're available at Canadian Tire. Are they in the directory they usually keep near the bulbs or are they a specific type?Also the photo you show mr.Duck is taken from outside the car or inside? Basically, being a car with no hood, how does one access the rear of the lamp???Thanks.

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Posted 25 May 2007 - 08:20 AM

To Change the headlights. To change the taillights. These are from Evilution's website from the UK. He has a great number of How-To's on his website. He also posts quite a bit on these fourms.
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Posted 25 May 2007 - 06:38 PM

The low beam bulbs are H7The high beam bulbs are H1They are standard bulbs. I suggest buying the cheaper ones from CT or even the dealer.....before considering getting "good" bulbs. At least until you decide whether the burn outs are flukes from improper installations or if there is something else burning the bulbs so quickly. Make sure you dont touch the bulbs with bare hands...the oil from your skin will shorten the life.
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Posted 26 May 2007 - 11:19 AM

18 months, 40,000km and only one dead low beam light. I replaced both lights with the GE Night Hawks and they work great.
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