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Did you miss us? Did you think we sold it? (We very nearly did lol--we 're trying again with a bit of progress) This new thread started here when it was thought just a n electrical problem: The SAM and such problem has apparently been rectified and the car turned over but did not start. Best thing that has happened! Adam droppped the engine, took off the valve cover and discovered 2 broken rocker arms and a spongy tappet ( bit with a nipply thing on the end directly under the rocker arm). Have since replaced these parts. May still need to take the head off and check for bent valves but not going there right now..... what we would like to know at this point is how do we determine the cam/crank timing if we don't know where anything is right now--this engine has been turning with and without chain and we're not sure when or how the rocker arms broke--- so it's turned no doubt with and without valves moving maybe----I know, I know, it's an interference engine so valves must be bent, busted, in that case but we need to get our heads around timing first. Thanks so much and hope everyone has had a good and healthy summer. I wish we had more tomatoes.
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Did you miss us? Did you think we sold it? (We very nearly did lol--we 're trying again with a bit of progress) This new thread started here when it was thought just a n electrical problem: The SAM and such problem has apparently been rectified and the car turned over but did not start. Best thing that has happened! Adam droppped the engine, took off the valve cover and discovered 2 broken rocker arms and a spongy tappet ( bit with a nipply thing on the end directly under the rocker arm). Have since replaced these parts. May still need to take the head off and check for bent valves but not going there right now..... what we would like to know at this point is how do we determine the cam/crank timing if we don't know where anything is right now--this engine has been turning with and without chain and we're not sure when or how the rocker arms broke--- so it's turned no doubt with and without valves moving maybe----I know, I know, it's an interference engine so valves must be bent, busted, in that case but we need to get our heads around timing first. Thanks so much and hope everyone has had a good and healthy summer. I wish we had more tomatoes.
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Adam got the chain back on the sprocket and no doubt it is off the bottom sprocket inside for him to have had slack enough to get it on. The car is meant to be a work in progress though we do wish we had made more progress and had it running by now geeesh. He's now done online research to get the engine out and check that chain. Is there a good engine diagram online for these things--exploded or otherwise? The car as it stands:
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It surely wouldn't be so hard it every flippin' screw/bolt weren't siezed in place! He has the rear plastic valence off and wants to now remove the bumper/crossmember held by those star shaped bolts--stuck tight. Need to find a manual impact driver with those shape bits--any ideas? Thanks for bearing with us, bein' amateurs an' all with an anxious son
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To add as I forgot to mention earlier- our son spliced the new brown plug lead to the SAM and then tried the starting. NEW TWIST IN THIS SAGA: Son discovered today that when looking in the oil filler hole, in good light, the chain is off the sprocket. What is this all about? Didn't notice it before-he topped up some oil last night and must have cleaned up that area enough to see this. No wonder it won't start! So what are we in for now? He outside trying to renengage the sprocket throught the hole--says he just needs to roll the wheels to get it on--guessing the timing is all messed up now.
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I was just coming back to revise this puddle comment---it's probably oil from the dip stick collecting when it was hecked a bunch of time by us amateurs and never noticed--sorry 'bout that. We did discover, despite the gauge saying the tank had gas in it it was basically empty--stuck a tube down the filler and it came up dry--tank now filled. On a filled tank the car still rumbles like it wants to fire--sometimes gives a short heave like it may. I jiggled a bunch of wires --grounds front and back if the motor's hatch and ECU, the key symbol came up and the engine wouldn't start after clearing the key. After further start tries the engine would make a rattle without turning over--then on a subsequent try it turned over again as before without fireing. If anything there are still wires to clean. And need to charge the battery again.
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Hiya folks--to update-- our son has has switched out the ECU, speedo pod, SAM and key fob guts with one from a junker--these parts are in very good shape--no melted leads lol. The key symbol came on the dash but Adam got that leared easy enough with the process he saw online. The car turns over but does not start --fire. After trying a few times it sounds like it wants to, has a short rumble like it wants to start--such a tease! Since it has sat for so long he pumped the gas pedal when trying to start so to prime, a small puddle formed on the passenger side top of the engine so figure there is fuel now but may have floded, not sure we don't know anything about diesels, may not be a thing. So we are back to looking at wireing and see this loose plug above the alternator--any idea where it goes? Maybe anymore ideas to check up on? Now that the weather is warming up our son is getting pretty itchy to get this thing going! =)
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N11-5 brown plug to SAM
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Hi everyone--hope all are healthy and not too shack whacky yet. To update-- We are waiting on the dellivery of the brown plug from Flying Tiger. The upped the price on us about $100.00cd from the listed price shown above--they said MB raised the price on them so have to pass it on--angering but we have it and hope it's a smooth enough replace proceedure. MB was about the same in $ -we are paying a bit more for convenience of it coming to the house. My son pulled off the ECU--we saw online that most times the bolts are corroded in place and sure enough he broke most off. He got the replacement back on with the remaining 2 good bolts--should we silicone seal it in place to make a good seal to the air box? Yeah--corroded bolts--we have had to break or drill out almost every bolt we've touched on this thing--even after spraying with penetrating stuff. Is there a shared or common source for torx like Canadian tire where we can get replacements? Destroyed ECU and dash bolts. Stay safe folks! -
N11-5 brown plug to SAM
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We reading these links--good stuff in there thank you! Yesterday our son went out to remove the speedo pod --the videos show you simply use a torx 10 screw drive and POP! off it all goes---on our car the bolts were striped out, finally got two to come out with a torx 8 or 9, 10 did not fit--he stripped them out trying--- had to drill out the last two--got refreshed on all the french swear words my Dad taught me and now pass on to my son lol Now looking to source replacement bolts. -
N11-5 brown plug to SAM
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Would you have a link or more info on where and what relay to use? -
Hello everyone--I've been posting quite a bit lately and thought I better check in. We bought a 2006 Fortwo Pure cdi for our 19yr old hearing impaired son to tinker on and to eventually teach our teen kids how to drive--a fun project. We got the car local for $900. The body of the car looks real good, the interior is dirty as it was used to ferry cleaning supplies between jobs by the PO. He told us the fusebox was the problem right from the get go. It took him having his mechanic replace the alternator and starter with brand new units and digging into the SAM (trying to fit a second SAM, that did not fix it) before he called it a day on the car---he would put more into the car than it was worth to him. We figure that whatever we put into it it may come up to what a low price used Smart might go for with the added bonus of our son learning a few things on a car on which we know where the big head ache is---not buying a used one and being surprised on the 410. (not to say that won't happen lol) We took it home, played around a bit, doing a bunch of research with it trying to figure out the SAM thing. We have a way to go yet--need to fix the wiring harness, replace the SAM, ECU, speedo pod and key, clean inside and out make sure the brakes work bla, bla ,bla... a work in progress Then get it safetied and licensed. This is a complicated little car compared to our usual good weather daily driver 1969 Beetle! We are so thankful for the help quickly offered us already--it's a great site! Thank you. Stay healthy everyone!
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N11-5 brown plug to SAM
06cdi replied to 06cdi's topic in One-off Questions and Other Things Asked Often!
Lol----a needle nose and a lot of swearing. It's sure nice to have someone who knows what they're looking at! Why in the world do they even get so hot as to melt the plastic? They're Mercedes Benz for crying out loud, you'd think they'd have it figured out. Is the wire gauge too small? Is it the headlights and the heat from the bulb travels the short distance along the copper to the SAM? -
N11-5 brown plug to SAM
06cdi replied to 06cdi's topic in One-off Questions and Other Things Asked Often!
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N11-5 brown plug to SAM
06cdi replied to 06cdi's topic in One-off Questions and Other Things Asked Often!
Disregard the previous---LLN is indeed correct it is the N11-3. We have them in the wrong hole as well. If I can figure out howto get a pic up you'll see how the plug looks like it's been chewed on and resoldered ---then later up the wires it looks like an old timey car stereo electrician tape wiring job. -
N11-5 brown plug to SAM
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Geesh---to make matters worse we've gone and confused ourselves: Which is which---brown plug is N11-3 or N11-5? We may have put them in each other's holes--both 12 pins. Seeing those parts on Flying Tiger has been so helpful LLN! -
N11-5 brown plug to SAM
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Willys--Save yer energy for smelt fishing lol. I called a place where we could pick off a carcass as they had a few Smarts--not sure of the years. Thanks LLN for the flying tiger link! I'm guessing the link you sent was the N11-3 black---I notice next down below on that page the brown one . -
N11-5 brown plug to SAM
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Thanks LLN--I've started calling wreckers and called the local MB dealer--they only sell the entire harness. Never thought of ebay though -
Hiya folks--got our used parts yesterday -yay! But first we have to deal with the existing messy wireing job --I think we need a new N11-5 brown plug--with some wiring attached to splice -----would anyone here know if this kind of plug is shared with anything else to help broaden my seach? I guess with enough gumption we could rebuild the plug--wires are coming toose out the top --it fits tight though lol. Stay healthy everyone!
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Thanks so much for your offers of help Willys! You sound like you've got quite the tools and skills. The fellah with the parts wrote and told us he's sending the stuff Monday, we'll see how long it taks to get here in this environment. We'll keep all the original parts together in a box just in case we need them again for whatever reason--but as it stand we will trade out the bits from the wrecked car in place of the OE. Until then it's been like cleaning up Christine--a cleaning, headlight polish--odds and end things. It's funny how it feels like a recliner on wheels. Pictured is the rat's nest of electrical work done on the wireing, by the PO's mechanic, plugged into SAM#2 (not OE SAM) --that's all got to be cleanned up, and check that plug. I hope all the SAMs aren't getting confusing lol SAM#1-- OE SAM#2-- came as a spare with the car SAM#3-- Soon to arrive from a wreck to replace OE. We're hopeful for it to start and excited to get it going--we're still a long way I'm sure.
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This topic took an excellent tangeant over to this other thread: ...bringing back to here Thanks for all the help! Update--We bought the 4 pieces. They are coming from out west and guess we'll see them in a week or so. We'll let you know how it goes. As per fixing the original SAM, it appears in pretty bad shape (see pic) --- you can see we took the soldered wires off and also discovered the circuit board is missing bits from the fold on the short side of the board. We're going to intall the parts, see how it runs and look it over more, get it certified and licence---I know, I know, probably won't be that simple lol. To start it may need a new plug for that pin set on the SAM. We're hoping that once these parts are in hopefully working, it will level the playing field, see how it runs then go from there. Will definitely keep posting here--we're certainly far from done! This brings up a new question--to certify and license-- if the new parts are programmed to it's original vin, I'm guessing we'll have to have someone with a Star reprogram them to our vin?
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We are new Smart Car owners have had the car for a week, a used car at that--I can only imagine the frustration these SAM failures have caused you longtime owners!! I'm totally unfamiliar with Mercedes Benz --this seems like a manufacturer's defect, why was this never a recall? Bad solder and unsheilded from the dampness--geeez! Have any of you done anything to lessen a dampness problem--some kind of water repellant spray, or plastic cover? I know fuses should be tight in their sockets but gosh it feels like they needed to be broken from corrosion crusties to get them out. Thanks to the Smart Car Club community here for sharing your experiences and fantastic information.
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Thanks for your quick reply Willys! We do have the original SAM and it has already been modded with bypass wires--the whole thing was cut out of the car when we got it, there was also a spare unaltered SAM from another source included. When we bought the car we didn't know there was this problem with SAMs generally within these cars--our problem-but still figure for what we got the car for some repairs still come up to less than an equivalent running car with the benefit our son tinkering and better understanding cars. From the research alone we're learning a ton lol. The car itself is uncertified so CAA will not tow it--we needed to have it towed to our house and called CAA to find out their policy on uncertified vehicles, we paid a company to tow it home. We did some online research and had the original SAM ( SAM #1) open for a look--red wires were soldered in within the circuit rather than along that pin line as we'd seen on the Aging Wheels Youtube channel where " I fixed my Smart Car for FREE!!!!!!!!" fixed his. Apparently the PO's mechanic said the original SAM was busted and tried to swap out to the second. We tried the same--first bought a new battery, plugged in SAM #2. Everything comes on except the passenger side headlight, we haven't checked if it's the bulb or not, I have to get my hand in there this weekend. The fuel pump makes primming sounds and the starter turns over but does not fire up so know SAM #2 has some life. Both SAMs appear to have damaged, discoloured pins which seems typical for these cars. Nothing really happens when SAM #1 is plugged in--the bypassed wires (all red) are cut and we don't know where they go. I really have no idea what to do about this--- -Is SAM #1 fixable? I don't know. -Can #2 be installed and made to work? I don't think so unless it's fixed with a STAR? -Install a SAM, ECU, speedo and keys from wrecker and consider the car as basically operational then start diagnosing from a clean slate? We have found a source for these parts--can't say if it's expensive or not but less expensive than going to a dealer! Thanks for mentionning Glen--will def keep him in mind