SAM reprogramming Ontario

[montypeel]

Looking for someone who can clone my SAM unit in the southern Ontario area. Does anybody know of someone who does this that isn't the dealer? Specifically Niagara/Hamilton area. 

 

Many thanks. 

[Willys]

I think Glenn does it or used to, Smart142  I also have the STAR but am many hours away.....sad to say.

 

[montypeel]

12 minutes ago, Willys said:

I think Glenn does it or used to, Smart142  I also have the STAR but am many hours away.....sad to say.

 

I'll look him up! Thanks. 

[Willys]

What you want to do is install another SAM into your system correct? That can be done, not simple but doable. I'm not sure about any other way of cloning it...?
The new to you SAM simply needs to be introduced to your speedo and ECU.....correct..?

 

[montypeel]

1 hour ago, Willys said:

What you want to do is install another SAM into your system correct? That can be done, not simple but doable. I'm not sure about any other way of cloning it...?
The new to you SAM simply needs to be introduced to your speedo and ECU.....correct..?

 

Yes. I took the speedo, ecu, and speedo from a donor car. My 450 had a ecu fail (literally cooked a hole in it.) I have put the Sam, ecu and speedo in and got my car running but the donor Sam unit has issues. (Airbag not getting proper signal/voltage, softop switch not working ect.) 

 

I'm looking for someone local enough who can either:

1. Clone my old sam over to match my new ecu and speedo

Or

2. Reprogram ecu to match my original Sam and speedo.

 

Dealer was no help and I can't find anyone local. Can't safety the car till I clear up airbag issue. 

 

 

[MikeT]

So by transferring those three components over, they didn't recognize each other? Or they did but the airbag fault is the only remaining problem?

 

I had a new SAM put in My Canada 1 by the dealer, and they gave me the old one. The only problem with it was a dead fuel lift pump circuit. Makes me wonder if I could reinstall it without issues.....

 

I'll be keeping int anyway.

[stickman007]

If you wish to clone the SAM, you’ll need EEPROM chip reader and softwares to go with it. Or, with some desolderinf/soldering skills, you can just swap the EEPROM chip on the PCB.

MBSTAR can do it the dealership way, but unless the SAM is “virginized,” you’ll have issues.

[stickman007]

Just now, MikeT said:

So by transferring those three components over, they didn't recognize each other? Or they did but the airbag fault is the only remaining problem?

 

I had a new SAM put in My Canada 1 by the dealer, and they gave me the old one. The only problem with it was a dead fuel lift pump circuit. Makes me wonder if I could reinstall it without issues.....

 

I'll be keeping int anyway.

If you send your old SAM to me, I can fix the fuel pump section of the circuit. But I’m not sure if it’ll still be plug and play as other modules may detect that it is different than your current SAM.

[MikeT]

OK thanks for the offer. I don't need it now but it might be good to have a spare in the long term. The part alone is like $1000 so even if a dealer has to recode it, it would cut the cost of that job considerably.

[montypeel]

10 hours ago, stickman007 said:

If you wish to clone the SAM, you’ll need EEPROM chip reader and softwares to go with it. Or, with some desolderinf/soldering skills, you can just swap the EEPROM chip on the PCB.

MBSTAR can do it the dealership way, but unless the SAM is “virginized,” you’ll have issues.

I've tried looking up how to just swap the eeprom chips but I haven't found anything useful. Do you have a link? 

[montypeel]

10 hours ago, MikeT said:

So by transferring those three components over, they didn't recognize each other? Or they did but the airbag fault is the only remaining problem?

 

I had a new SAM put in My Canada 1 by the dealer, and they gave me the old one. The only problem with it was a dead fuel lift pump circuit. Makes me wonder if I could reinstall it without issues.....

 

I'll be keeping int anyway.

I swapped all 3 into the car but the Sam from the donor car has issues on the board with airbag and softop. I want to use the old sam as it's in better shape.

[MikeT]

Ah I see.

[Willys]

3 hours ago, montypeel said:

I swapped all 3 into the car but the Sam from the donor car has issues on the board with airbag and softop. I want to use the old sam as it's in better shape.

Easiest way is using a STAR machine....no eprom just time setting the old one to speak with the new.

 

[montypeel]

1 hour ago, Willys said:

Easiest way is using a STAR machine....no eprom just time setting the old one to speak with the new.

 

My problem is finding someone who has access to machine... Dealer wasnt too keen on it when I spoke to someone on the phone. Do you know of anyone who has a star machine in Ontario that does smart cars? 

[Willys]

1 minute ago, montypeel said:

My problem is finding someone who has access to machine... Dealer wasnt too keen on it when I spoke to someone on the phone. Do you know of anyone who has a star machine in Ontario that does smart cars? 

Me, Glenn....I have heard of a few more but don't know them or remember their names.
You need to be sitting in the car when doing this work, maybe you could send the three items to someone to install in their car then program them together...?  I do not know if that would work...?   Hmmm...?

 

[montypeel]

2 minutes ago, Willys said:

Me, Glenn....I have heard of a few more but don't know them or remember their names.
You need to be sitting in the car when doing this work, maybe you could send the three items to someone to install in their car then program them together...?  I do not know if that would work...?   Hmmm...?

 

Where abouts you located Glenn? 

[Willys]

Just now, montypeel said:

Where abouts you located Glenn? 

Glenn is in the London area.....

 

[montypeel]

13 minutes ago, Willys said:

Glenn is in the London area.....

 

Sorry Willys! I ment where are you 😂 I got the names wrong.

[Willys]

Pefferlaw, bottom righthand corner of Lake Simcoe

 

[montypeel]

How much would you charge to clone over my SAM? I could probably convince the wife to go for a nice drive... 

[Willys]

The only way I know how is to be sitting in the car needing either of the 3 parts to be taught to speak to the other two. So you would need to get that car to me...? Then wait until it's done, that time frame I can not guarantee as I do not do it often enough to be fast at it.  Plus I'm about to embark on a trip across the country and up to the Arctic Ocean. Could be 2 months before I'm back here.
Sorry. 
IF you haven't spoken with Glenn he is your better bet unless you can wait. OR  better yet buy your own STAR and benefit from all it's uses. I built mine up with the sole mentality that 3 trips to a dealership or shop would pay for itself, then I found people wanting work done which also helped cover the cost.  Seriously, your best way, especially if you like your SmartCar, imho.
There are a few threads that i have pointed out exactly where I bought mine from etc etc, dig back and locate those and see..?  The whole machine complete is roughly $750, IF you have an older Dell640 laptop you only need the software and multi-plexer C3 (I think it's labeled as, but it definately is the 3 version).
I'd have to go through years of Paypal purchases to find it again, so searching here would be quicker.
 

[montypeel]

3 minutes ago, Willys said:

The only way I know how is to be sitting in the car needing either of the 3 parts to be taught to speak to the other two. So you would need to get that car to me...? Then wait until it's done, that time frame I can not guarantee as I do not do it often enough to be fast at it.  Plus I'm about to embark on a trip across the country and up to the Arctic Ocean. Could be 2 months before I'm back here.
Sorry. 
IF you haven't spoken with Glenn he is your better bet unless you can wait. OR  better yet buy your own STAR and benefit from all it's uses. I built mine up with the sole mentality that 3 trips to a dealership or shop would pay for itself, then I found people wanting work done which also helped cover the cost.  Seriously, your best way, especially if you like your SmartCar, imho.
There are a few threads that i have pointed out exactly where I bought mine from etc etc, dig back and locate those and see..?  The whole machine complete is roughly $750, IF you have an older Dell640 laptop you only need the software and multi-plexer C3 (I think it's labeled as, but it definately is the 3 version).
I'd have to go through years of Paypal purchases to find it again, so searching here would be quicker.
 

Tip of the hat to you! I will look through the old threads when I get home and see about piecing together a star machine. 

 

Many thanks

[Willys]

Ebay.....easy but cost has gone up in 5 years...lol

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/275838731238?hash=item40394503e6:g:5KIAAOSwhcVkVtTJ&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA8JD6%2F5s%2BBWYmwDVzbyiuOHjUI3hI%2FNFdLRYj1Rg4zxN9rrChsrzz%2BPxa%2FAzIJtS7iH2Cmin7rgxB3lNSq0zQ4QMwfidQng4gd85n2AXgw24DVx5DutjTHhsbzMTkitiD1j4EEwEtS%2BGPWItXTuJ3iHiAs1bhYjupKurjRFJVbQlF1rS4qHdhrO5s9EIs2ImpFckRA218VQHau7chdymIv1KIUGMiUpqXzGcYriVJECi4kGvFl7AxV2NjPdm280SXhqY2oiNttjTyEBTGGqitrJQ%2BZ8FwEw8SU1gccuYNp8IqLf%2FnWUkadSMHj28KqpxD6A%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR76e9JONYg

 

I do not know why I didn't suggest this first, I normally do...lol.

 

[stickman007]

Here’s the info on how to clone using eeprom equipments. Not expensive.

https://blog.uobdii.com/vvdi-prog-tutotials-clone-smart-450-sam-motorola-9s12dg256-2k79x/

 

Evilution I believe has some info on swapping the chips.

 

Good luck!

[Mjolinor]

The "chip" in the case of the SAM is a monster. More than 100 pins and not easy to do unless you do a lot of them.